Re: [Zope] Zopache = ZTK + Grok + ZMI

2014-08-03 Thread Andreas Jung
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Christopher Lozinski wrote:
 On 7/31/14, 9:13 PM, Fernando Martins wrote:
 I wonder if it was not a case of over-engineering that helped
 zope's community fragmentation.
 That is correct.  You know the famous saying by P.J. Eby
 
 Those who do not study Zope, are condemned to reinvent it.
 
 Well that is because every concept known to software developers is
 in there. There is no clear directory into the concepts/software
 libraries. And worse yet, when I want to use any of those concepts it
 does not have a clear human interface, documentation and mental
 model, so that I have to go and read the source code.  It is a human
 factors disaster.  Particularly if your boss is on your back asking
 what you have done today.  I just spent two days trying to 
 understand the zope security model. Turns out I do not need it Is
 not an acceptable reply.  Which is literally how I spent my last two
 days. I had to understand it before I could decide to toss parts of
 it out. Fortunately I do not have a boss.
 
 I now understand that my arguments on the mailing list were really
 about software engineering vs Human Factors. My training was in
 industrial engineering, rather than computer science.  Using last
 centuries technologies is an unmitigated human factors disaster.
 Sure the future is giant libraries of reusable components, but there
 is no viable way to get there from here. There needs to be a graceful
 path.
 
 So the Zopache user mental model starts with 4 simple TTW classes. 
 HTML, CSS, Javascipt, and Images.  It will be easy for people to put
 up their HTML resumes on my next generation recruiting website 
 PrivaCV.com.  And from there the next branch of the hierarchical
 menu will have some more options for them to explore and learn.  One
 step at a time.
 
 Thank you so much for helping me to understand the context of the
 work I am doing.

You are arguing and blathering every other year the same nonsense
without any outcome. Do you have a mission? Do you have a goal?
Have we seen any contribution, any code from you side of the last decade?

- -aj

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