RE: [Zope] version 2.2.4 just blew up!
Chris, The Dr. Watson log won't help us at this stage. Can you turn on debug logging by inserting the following to the beginning of your Zope's start.bat file: set STUPID_FILE_LOG=var\debug.log did it. Then report back what comes up in the var\debug.log file when you click on the link that crashes Zope, if anything. nothing. debug.log is never created. Python is dying? That's a little rude even given your frustration, dontcha think? what the hell is so rude about that? my problem is caused by Python going tits up each time i hit the link. a bit oversensitive dontcha think? - Original Message - From: "michael angelo ruberto" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 5:16 PM Subject: [Zope] version 2.2.4 just blew up! hi, i just performed the upgrade from 2.2.2 to 2.2.4 and it blew up after running for a few minutes. it happened as i clicked the link to Debug Information from the control panel. Zope does start up again and the same thing occurs each time i click this link. i can send you the Dr. Watson error log if you think it will help you but i prefer not to send it to a public list. please send me a personal email address for this. i can also send a screen shot of the error message. Python is dying. -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] just curious
what i meant was, is there a way to remove my files in Zope back to the filesystem? i'm having serious concerns about the stability of this product and need to know if i can gracefully revert back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris McDonough Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] just curious What? - Original Message - From: "michael angelo ruberto" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: [Zope] just curious hi, how do i remove all of the 7000 + company documents from Zope? -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] the day of zope headaches
thanks Kevin, that seems to have did the trick. the deal on my server is that tmp, /var/tmp, and /usr/tmp are all linked to one directory. this required me to create /home/httpd/tmp and point tempfile.py to it because the disk for all the other tmp stuff is quite full. time for bigger drives. -mike- ps: in the process of following your suggestion i found another problem and fixed it, so thanks again! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] the day of zope headaches Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. IOError Sorry, a Zope error occurred. such a very helpful message. this happened while reindexing the ZCatalog View the HTML source for the error page - the Python traceback contained in there will be more helpful. However, the last time I had an IOError while re-indexing a ZCatalog was when Python was ran out of space in the /tmp dir (4600 objects, 100 MB /tmp partition). What I did was edit Python's tempfile.py file (contained at /usr/lib/python1.5/tempfile.py on Debian systems) from: attempdirs = ['/usr/tmp', '/tmp', pwd] To: attempdirs = ['/var/tmp', '/usr/tmp', '/tmp', pwd] -- Kevin Teague, Zopista http://www.stormix.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] mod_fastcgi
hi, i was wondering what if any difference there is for zope if i install it to access mod_fastcgi through a port as opposed to a socket. which is the recommended/safest approach? thanks -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] version 2.2.4 just blew up!
hi, i just performed the upgrade from 2.2.2 to 2.2.4 and it blew up after running for a few minutes. it happened as i clicked the link to Debug Information from the control panel. Zope does start up again and the same thing occurs each time i click this link. i can send you the Dr. Watson error log if you think it will help you but i prefer not to send it to a public list. please send me a personal email address for this. i can also send a screen shot of the error message. Python is dying. -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] mod_fastcgi
Ron, i was wondering what if any difference there is for zope if i install it to access mod_fastcgi through a port as opposed to a socket. which is the recommended/safest approach? In theory (and maybe in practice) the socket should be faster since it does not go through the networking process. However, since it uses a local file, Zope and Apache must be one the same system. Using a TCP port would be slower, but it allows you to run Zope and Apache on different machines. As to how much faster or slower, I have no idea if anyone has done any testing. As for safest/recommended, avoiding the network is probably always safer (although with the loopback, I'm not sure it makes any difference). But if you need to run them on different servers, you don't have a choice. I've found mod_fastcgi very easy to configure in Apache and have had no problems using it through a port. ___ thanks for the info! my co-worker just informed me that he thinks it is faster to use the port when dealing with a firewall. since it seems easier this way i guess i'll go with the port. much appreciated! -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] the day of zope headaches
ok, i'm not that superstitious but today must be Zopes equivalent of friday the 13th. i've nothing but headaches with it all day today. maybe the warranty expired ;) here we go the new problem is this: Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. IOError Sorry, a Zope error occurred. such a very helpful message. this happened while reindexing the ZCatalog used for the main site search. i do this every week without problems. it takes a bit longer each week but never got this error before. have i maxed it out or something? has anyone else come across this? as always, help greatly appreciated! thanks -mike- ps: the catalog is now empty. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] just curious
hi, how do i remove all of the 7000 + company documents from Zope? -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] version 2.2.4 just blew up
i was thinking of doing just that. thanks Jimbo! -mike- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jimbo Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 7:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] version 2.2.4 just blew up Same thing happened to me on upgrading from 2.2.2. I just reinstalled the full version over the hosed upgrade and it worked again. -Jimbo ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] opinions please
hello, i am searching for opinions on a project i am considering. the project is to create a product or script to allow users to email documents into Zope as attachments. then the documents are to be placed in the proper folder according to information in the subject line of the email they rode in on. what i would like to know is, is this possible? if it is, how hard will this be to implement? the other idea was to create a client app where users can drop the document onto a desktop icon and the app uses webDAV to put it into Zope. would this be easier or harder? ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] FW: [Zope] adding properties to all existing docs
However, I would not make such changes asynchronously. I would use "ZopeFind" to locate all objects that need to be updated and then do it. Maybe, its a matter of personal taste ... Dieter this is an interesting idea. another thing i might try is running the script from Xron and ZopeFinding the objects. in this way the task is completely automated and will free me from having to run it whenever new objects are added. -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] FW: [Zope] adding properties to all existing docs
hi Dieter, thanks for the advice. i have written a small DTML script which i plan to call from the standard html header so that the intranet users will unknowingly populate the docs as they browse. saves me from doing it manually unless there are file objects in the folder. here is the script: dtml-in "PARENTS[0].objectItems(['File','DTML Document'])" sort=title dtml-unless "_.string.find(_['id'],'index_html')==0" dtml-comment properties are added in the unless below. to add additional properties to this script repeat the unless block for each new property and change the id and type to what you want to add. /dtml-comment dtml-unless "hasProperty('rev')" dtml-call "manage_addProperty('rev','none','string')" /dtml-unless /dtml-unless /dtml-in to run the script give it manager role and call the method in the URL or with a dtml-var tag. you can select the types of objects it "sees" in the first line. please let me know if there is some flaw in doing it this way. take care -mike- ps: i tried to make a python method for this but couldn't figure out how to handle the objects properly. -Original Message- From: Dieter Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 12:49 PM To: michael angelo ruberto Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] adding properties to all existing docs michael angelo ruberto writes: i have a Zope containing 4700+ files and documents. i want to add new properties to all of them, how can i do this programmatically? is it possible to change the base classes? if so, how? It is possible to change the base class but I would not do it (as it affects all Zope objects and your change is likely to disappear when you upgrade). You can automate Zope either internally or externally. Internally (via a method (DTML or Python)) you would use ZopeFind to list all objects that need to be updated and then iterate (dtml-in) over the objects to update. Externally, you would use "ZPublisher.ZClient". I would go for the internal solution. Dieter ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] error in Zope book
in chapter 5 the example Creating a File Library has an error in the sorting method. dtml-var standard_html_header h1File Library/h1 table tr tha href="dtml-URL0;?sort=name"File/a/th tha href="dtml-URL0;?sort=date"Last Modified/a/th /tr dtml-if expr="_.has_key('sort') and sort=='date'" ---ERROR --- dtml-in expr="objectValues('File')" ~this should be dtml-in expr="PARENTS[0].objectValues(['File'])" ~it doesn't work otherwise. ---ERROR --- sort="bobobase_modification_time" reverse tr tda href="dtml-absolute_url;"dtml-var title_or_id/a/td tddtml-var bobobase_modification_time fmt="aCommon"td /tr /dtml-in dtml-else ---ERROR --- dtml-in expr="objectValues('File')" sort="id" ~same as above. ---ERROR --- tr tda href="dtml-absolute_url;"dtml-var title_or_id/a/td tddtml-var bobobase_modification_time fmt="aCommon"td /tr /dtml-in /dtml-if /table dtml-var standard_html_footer -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] date comparison
hi, i had tried something similar already without success. here is the error your script caused: DOH! Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: TypeError Error Value: unsubscriptable object for some reason Zope just doesn't want to compare ZopeTime with bobobase_modification_time. i started reading the readme i found for the python DateTime method but it hasn't shed any light on the situation yet. i will try doing it with javascript. i can write the modification dates of the objects into arrays and do the comparisons using a scripting language that works. thanks -mike- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kapil Thangavelu Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:53 PM To: michael angelo ruberto Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] date comparison michael angelo ruberto wrote: i want to create an index page that displays whether or not a page has been updated in the past 7 days or the past 20 days. however, i can't figure out how to get the bobobase_modification_date to compare with ZopeTime. can someone give me a clue before i rush blindly down Zope's undocumented dark alleys. mike untested ul dtml-in "objectValues['DTMLDocument']" dtml-if "ZopeTime()-7 bobo_base_modifcation_time" libNew/bdtml-var absolute_url/li dtml-elif "ZopeTime()-20 bobo_base_modifcation_time" libSomewhat New/bdtml-var absolute_url/li dtml-else libOld/bdtml-var absolute_url/li /dtml-if /dtml-in /ul kapil ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] sort_order???
hey that worked perfectly! thanks! most of my problems always seem to have solutions right under my nose. ;) -mike- -Original Message- From: Charlie Derr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: [Zope] sort_order??? You saw this one, right? ~c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Phil Harris Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 6:35 PM To: michael angelo ruberto; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] sort_order??? Try: dtml-in table-1 sort=date reverse hth phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "michael angelo ruberto" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 June 2000 23:18 Subject: [Zope] sort_order??? hello, ok, here is my code: dtml-in table-1 sort=date a href="dtml-var URL"dtml-var name/a | dtml-var value | dtml-var URL | dtml-var attendee | dtml-var datebr /dtml-in what's wrong - nothing, it works fine. however, the result is sorted by date ascending and i need it to be reversed. i found a reference to an attribute "sort_order" which can be given an arg such as "sort_order=reverse". the problem here is that it won't work and i can't find any usage info on "sort_order". it isn't mentioned in the DTML Reference and after hours of searching the Zope website i am empty handed. does anyone know how to use this? thanks in advance. -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] sort_order???
hello, ok, here is my code: dtml-in table-1 sort=date a href="dtml-var URL"dtml-var name/a | dtml-var value | dtml-var URL | dtml-var attendee | dtml-var datebr /dtml-in what's wrong - nothing, it works fine. however, the result is sorted by date ascending and i need it to be reversed. i found a reference to an attribute "sort_order" which can be given an arg such as "sort_order=reverse". the problem here is that it won't work and i can't find any usage info on "sort_order". it isn't mentioned in the DTML Reference and after hours of searching the Zope website i am empty handed. does anyone know how to use this? thanks in advance. -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] secure area?
hi, i need some help with permissions again. is there a way to make a subfolder secure from people with manager roles in the parent folder? i've tried different settings but nothing locks them out. thanks. -mike- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] product installation voodoo
From: Kevin Dangoor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 4:48 PM To: michael angelo ruberto; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] product installation voodoo - Original Message - From: "michael angelo ruberto" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: [Zope] product installation voodoo why do some products install fine on their own and others require voodoo incantations and sacrificial goats? Usually, products written completely in Python can be installed just by untarring the file. Products built through the web (ZClasses) usually comes as a .zexp file, which is essentially the pickled objects that make up the ZClasses, DTML Methods, etc. These need to be imported from the Products Control Panel. Is that the voodoo you're talking about? The difference is basically whether the product is just distributed as files that go in your file system, or as objects that need to live somewhere in your ZODB. can somebody tell me what the permissions for products should look like? I'm not sure that it really matters as long as your webserver process can read the files. Kevin i've had situations where trying to import a .zexp does not work until the file's permissions are set to nobody:nobody ? ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Newbie: MS Access ODBC connection strings
i had a similar problem recently. my access DB was not showing up in the data sources list until i deleted the ODBC connection from windows control panel and recreated it - i guess i messed up the first time. make sure your DB shows up in the "User Data Sources" list in the ODBC Data Source Administrator in Windows and in the ODBC Data Source list in the "Add Z ODBC Database Connection" screen in ZOpe. my connection string is simply the database name. now that i have a working connection all of my tests fail. does anyone know why? -mike- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 5:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] Newbie: MS Access ODBC connection strings Before you all start, I know, MS Access is pants and I should be using a "real" database. And I shall, once the "proof of concept" stage is passed and I can migrate the existing data over to one. But for now I'm stuck with it. Right, that over, here's my plea: I'm trying to create a connection object to a MS Access 97 database. I've installed the ODBC DA product but I cannot get my connection to actually connect. The error I get is, "invalid connection string: project," (project is the DSN name). According to the docs that come with the ODBC-DA, there's usually no need for a connection string and accordingly I have left it blank; I presume that the DA is defaulting to connecting using the DSN name as its string. The database has no security settings that might limit access. What's going wrong? Help! -- Andy Gates, Learning and Research Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ICQ#74362415 ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] listmate + CSV problem
hi, Heiko it works! i had to replace all whitespaces in column names with under_scores. it's the whitespace that created a problem. now i have to enter "NULL" in all the empty cells to make the table line up properly -( but this is not your fault, it's mine. i think many people in my company are going to be happy now! thank you for all the help you have provided. -mike- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Heiko Stoermer Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 3:46 AM To: michael angelo ruberto Subject: Re: [Zope] listmate + CSV problem michael angelo ruberto wrote: Error Type: Bad Request Error Value: Invalid or duplicate property id yes, I see. the first line of the csv will be split up into words and for each word a table column is created. these column names are actually properties of some internal object, so they MUST be unique. So if you have the same word appear twice in the first line of the file, you will get this error. the file size or column number should not be a problem. duplicate column names are. hope this helps, Heiko -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] innominate AG networkingpeople fon: +49.30.308806-0 fax: -77 web: http://innominate.de ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )