Re: [Zope] please explain the difference...
thank you. i understand now. the plone controller was the reason why i got confused: for example, this page has the screen shot of the "ports" UI of the controller (see section 7): http://python.developpez.com/cours/plone2/. the UI shows two http ports, one for plone, another for zope, which made me believe that there are two instances running. i still believe that the windows msi creates two zope instances but i need to verify it. but, thanks, my main question has been answered. ;-) konstantin 2005/9/8, Peter Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Zope isn't really a server. It's got some server elements but it's > core is around the storage and retrieval of data in a controlled > manner. > Plone is just a big bunch of well written scripts and templates and > images that is written inside Zope. Not too different from how > pgMyAdmin is a packaged solution on top of PHP. > The reason Plone refers to itself as a server is that some people > (like people who download the msi installer) don't understand and > don't need to understand the various layers of the end product. I > think it's good what Plone has done but, as your email proves, > sometimes people can get confused. > > On 9/8/05, akonsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > i have been reading about zope and plone for a few days now, and i > > have a question that i could not find an answer to. > > > > i understand zope is a server, that is, it is a process in OS. from > > what i could gather from the documentation, plone is a cms built on > > top of zope. why then when i install plone for windows from an msi, it > > appears that plone is also a server that runs alongside zope server > > just on a different http port? in addition, why the plone > > documentation keeps referring to plone as a server, and is using terms > > such as "start plone" and "stop plone"? so, is it a CMS that runs on > > top of zope or is it aan its own server? i am totally confused... > > > > i hope this is the right list to post this kind of plone questions. if > > not, i apologise, and i would appreciate if you could redirect me... > > > > thanks for any clarifications in advance. > > ___ > > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > > (Related lists - > > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > > > > -- > Peter Bengtsson, > work www.fry-it.com > home www.peterbe.com > hobby www.issuetrackerproduct.com > ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] please explain the difference...
> Hello, > > i have been reading about zope and plone for a few days now, and i have > a question that i could not find an answer to. > > i understand zope is a server, that is, it is a process in OS. from what > i could gather from the documentation, plone is a cms built on top of > zope. Right! > why then when i install plone for windows from an msi, it appears > that plone is also a server that runs alongside zope server just on a > different http port? Because the Plone windows installer includes a complete Zope installation. That's what you see as a server "alongside" your other Zope server. You can run many Zopes on one box. > in addition, why the plone > documentation keeps referring to plone as a server, and is using terms > such as "start plone" and "stop plone"? Because they assume that anybody installing plone on windows probably doesn't care about Zope per se and it's simpler to think of the whole thing as "plone". This may not be accurate, but I guess it lowers the bar a bit for people just getting started. > i hope this is the right list to post this kind of plone questions. if > not, i apologise, and i would appreciate if you could redirect me... This is a great place for general Zope questions; anything Plone-specific should go to one of the Plone lists, most likely the plone-users list. See: http://plone.org/contact/ There's also a #plone IRC channel on freenode. -PW ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] please explain the difference...
Zope isn't really a server. It's got some server elements but it's core is around the storage and retrieval of data in a controlled manner. Plone is just a big bunch of well written scripts and templates and images that is written inside Zope. Not too different from how pgMyAdmin is a packaged solution on top of PHP. The reason Plone refers to itself as a server is that some people (like people who download the msi installer) don't understand and don't need to understand the various layers of the end product. I think it's good what Plone has done but, as your email proves, sometimes people can get confused. On 9/8/05, akonsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > i have been reading about zope and plone for a few days now, and i > have a question that i could not find an answer to. > > i understand zope is a server, that is, it is a process in OS. from > what i could gather from the documentation, plone is a cms built on > top of zope. why then when i install plone for windows from an msi, it > appears that plone is also a server that runs alongside zope server > just on a different http port? in addition, why the plone > documentation keeps referring to plone as a server, and is using terms > such as "start plone" and "stop plone"? so, is it a CMS that runs on > top of zope or is it aan its own server? i am totally confused... > > i hope this is the right list to post this kind of plone questions. if > not, i apologise, and i would appreciate if you could redirect me... > > thanks for any clarifications in advance. > ___ > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > -- Peter Bengtsson, work www.fry-it.com home www.peterbe.com hobby www.issuetrackerproduct.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] please explain the difference...
Hello, i have been reading about zope and plone for a few days now, and i have a question that i could not find an answer to. i understand zope is a server, that is, it is a process in OS. from what i could gather from the documentation, plone is a cms built on top of zope. why then when i install plone for windows from an msi, it appears that plone is also a server that runs alongside zope server just on a different http port? in addition, why the plone documentation keeps referring to plone as a server, and is using terms such as "start plone" and "stop plone"? so, is it a CMS that runs on top of zope or is it aan its own server? i am totally confused... i hope this is the right list to post this kind of plone questions. if not, i apologise, and i would appreciate if you could redirect me... thanks for any clarifications in advance. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
