RE: [Zope] Zope declining?
hi, I might atribute any decline in this list to one of several things: 1. Documentation has much improuved, thus people can look up the answers and not soly rely on this list. - Zope Book specificaly. - Training clases. 2. Many of the people are now way past the general skill level in this list and have lost interest. 3. Alt. sources of info like: irc.zope.net #Zope It's obvious when you see companies like www.cbsnewyork.com runing zope that it is gaining in market penetration. j. .. . Jason C. Leach ... University College of the Cariboo. .. On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Max M wrote: From: Hung Jung Lu From the mailing list volume in the last 3 months, it is not hard to see that there is a steady decline. This compared to the trend of last two years (doubling volume every year), should probably raise a red flag. My experience here is that the list isn't much help. It can be very hard to get a question answered! Especially when it gets out of the "Hello World" level. And when a question eventually do get answered it is often terse and hard to understand. It would be nice if more of the devlopers would spend some time on this list, as it would really save those of us still learning a LOT of time. Coming from the Python list this is really a big difference. If I have a Python question I get an answer very quickly from the top Python guys. On this list I hardly ever see the top guys, and it can be really frustrating sitting with a problem for hours or days knowing that somebody could solve it in a few minutes. I am using the 2 minutes rule myself. Any qustion that I can answer in less than 2 minutes I will. 2 minutes isn't to much so I can answer a reasonable amount of questions and still get work done. When I get better I will be able to solve harder problems in 2 minutes. If only somebody better would take 2 minutes to solve some of my questions :-) Regards Max M ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Zope declining?
From: "Jason C. Leach" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Many of the people are now way past the general skill level in this list and have lost interest. 3. Alt. sources of info like: irc.zope.net #Zope It's obvious when you see companies like www.cbsnewyork.com runing zope that it is gaining in market penetration. This site definitely is re-assuring. :) Thanks for the good news. I am nowadays more in the Javaland than Pythonland. Haven't tried irc in these years. It used to be that if newsgroups were cocaine, irc would be morphine, so I avoided it completely. :) regards, Hung Jung _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Zope declining?
From: Hung Jung Lu From the mailing list volume in the last 3 months, it is not hard to see that there is a steady decline. This compared to the trend of last two years (doubling volume every year), should probably raise a red flag. My experience here is that the list isn't much help. It can be very hard to get a question answered! Especially when it gets out of the "Hello World" level. And when a question eventually do get answered it is often terse and hard to understand. It would be nice if more of the devlopers would spend some time on this list, as it would really save those of us still learning a LOT of time. Coming from the Python list this is really a big difference. If I have a Python question I get an answer very quickly from the top Python guys. On this list I hardly ever see the top guys, and it can be really frustrating sitting with a problem for hours or days knowing that somebody could solve it in a few minutes. I am using the 2 minutes rule myself. Any qustion that I can answer in less than 2 minutes I will. 2 minutes isn't to much so I can answer a reasonable amount of questions and still get work done. When I get better I will be able to solve harder problems in 2 minutes. If only somebody better would take 2 minutes to solve some of my questions :-) Regards Max M ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope declining?
+---[ Hung Jung Lu ]-- | Hi, [Snip] | I know what many would say: there are now more experts than newbies as | compared to before. There are not as many problems as before, etc. But that | is that really all? I don't think so. I think they're all coming to the IRC channel for help, its more immediate, traffic in there has picked up quite a bit. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
