Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Chris McDonough

Shane Hathaway wrote:
> > by?
> 
> BerkeleyDB3Storage.

Actually, it hasn't.  bsddb is no better at big files than FileStorage.

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Chris McDonough

 
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> With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new - well,
> not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages...



Just so there's no misunderstanding... BerkeleyStorage is in beta...
it's at http://www.zope.org/Products/bsddb3Storage

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Shane Hathaway

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> >> Does anyone have any comments on the reliability of PartitionedFileStorage
> >> in this regard as a temporary solution?  Is anyone using
> >> PartitionedFileStorage in a production environment?
> >
> > AFAIK no.  Its functionality has already been superceded.
> 
> by?

BerkeleyDB3Storage.

Shane

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread marc lindahl


>> Does anyone have any comments on the reliability of PartitionedFileStorage
>> in this regard as a temporary solution?  Is anyone using
>> PartitionedFileStorage in a production environment?
> 
> AFAIK no.  Its functionality has already been superceded.

by?



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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Shane Hathaway

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy
> somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this
> somewhere), which limits it (in addition to the Linux kernel ext2 fs limit),
> to < 2GB.  With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new - well,
> not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages, though I haven't
> tried anything like that myself...

Berkeley is a good recommendation.

> Does anyone have any comments on the reliability of PartitionedFileStorage
> in this regard as a temporary solution?  Is anyone using
> PartitionedFileStorage in a production environment?

AFAIK no.  Its functionality has already been superceded.

Shane

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Paul Everitt



Lalo Martins wrote:
> By "hoping that EC will go away soon", I assume they mean the
> PythonLabs folks are working on fixing this for once in Python
> itself. Right?

That is correct.  The point is, ExtensionClass machinery will go away
but the functionality would remain, if Python changes in the future to
make it unnecessary.

--Paul

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Paul Everitt


As one more example, Zope.org is currently at 4.8 Gb on FileStorage.

--Paul

"R. David Murray" wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy
> > somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this
> > somewhere), which limits it (in addition to the Linux kernel ext2 fs limit),
> > to < 2GB.  With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new - well,
> > not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages, though I haven't
> > tried anything like that myself...
> 
> FileStorage does *not* have a 2GB limit.  The only 2GB limit is the old
> Linux filesystem limit.  I know this, because I've had >2GB Data.fs
> files on FreeBSD.
> 
> --RDM
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RE: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread sean . upton

Perhaps I was looking at old docs, as the docs had indicated that
filestorage uses 32-bit position pointers; I'm guessing that this has since
changed...

Sean

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy
> somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this
> somewhere), which limits it (in addition to the Linux kernel ext2 fs
limit),
> to < 2GB.  With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new -
well,
> not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages, though I haven't
> tried anything like that myself...  

FileStorage does *not* have a 2GB limit.  The only 2GB limit is the old
Linux filesystem limit.  I know this, because I've had >2GB Data.fs
files on FreeBSD.

--RDM

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RE: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread R. David Murray

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy
> somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this
> somewhere), which limits it (in addition to the Linux kernel ext2 fs limit),
> to < 2GB.  With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new - well,
> not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages, though I haven't
> tried anything like that myself...  

FileStorage does *not* have a 2GB limit.  The only 2GB limit is the old
Linux filesystem limit.  I know this, because I've had >2GB Data.fs
files on FreeBSD.

--RDM


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Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP again (or, xml-rpc client for MSIE)

2001-06-01 Thread Hannu Krosing

Phil Harris wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> There are a few COM/COM+ components around that do xml-rpc.
> 
> I use them with MS Word to write Word files directly to Zope for instance.
> 
> Some are better than others, but ymmv so I'll hesitate to recommend one.
> 
> At least one of them is listed on xmlrpc.com.
> 
> Having them you could script them via jscript, and basically open up the
> connection easily.

Could you provide a small example ?

I'll probably be needing this functionality quite soon ;)

Does any of them support https ?


Hannu

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RE: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread sean . upton

My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy
somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this
somewhere), which limits it (in addition to the Linux kernel ext2 fs limit),
to < 2GB.  With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new - well,
not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages, though I haven't
tried anything like that myself...  

Does anyone have any comments on the reliability of PartitionedFileStorage
in this regard as a temporary solution?  Is anyone using
PartitionedFileStorage in a production environment?

Sean

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To: Brian Lloyd; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released


Hi Brian, hi all,

great to hear this.

Now comes a tricky question:

Suppose we are running a Linux Kernel 2.4.x and using the latest Python 2.x 
distribution. And supposing we can recompile all code if neccessary:

How large can a Data.fs grow until it breaks ?
We need to be able to store about 7.5 GBytes (note: Gigabytes) in the ZODB.
I 
would rather use the ZODB than a LocalFS 

Thanks in advance 
- Holger


Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2001 22:55 schrieb Brian Lloyd:
> Hello all,
>
>   Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 has been released - you can download it from
>   Zope.org:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/
>
>
>   Highlights of what is new in Zope 2.4:
>
> - Zope 2.4 supports (and requires) Python 2.1
>
> - New restricted execution architecture
>
> - WebDAV Level 2 locking support
>
> - New "WebDAV Access" permission
>
> - A new built-in 'Authenticated' role
>
> - Product refresh without restart during development
>
> - New "Drop-in indexes" support for ZCatalog
>
>
>   Be sure to see the Zope 2.4 Migration Guide:
>
>http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0/Zope24MigrationGuide.html
>
>   which outlines the new features and provides other important
>   information for users of Zope 2.4.
>
>   For more information on what is new in this release, see the
>   CHANGES.txt and HISTORY.txt files for the release:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/CHANGES.txt
>
> http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/HISTORY.txt
>
>   For more information on the available Zope releases, guidance for
>   selecting the right distribution and installation instructions,
>   please see:
>
>   http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Misc/InstallingZope.html
>
>   Note that this is an alpha release, so it is available as a source
>   distribution only. We will make binary releases available with the
>   first beta release.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code becomerealistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-06-01 Thread R. David Murray

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, E. Seifert wrote:
> at http://dev.zope.org/Resources/ZopeDirections.html:
> >The major goal will be to simplify how components (now called products)
> >are built and used. For example, currently some products are built in the
> >filesystem and some are built in the object database. We want to remove
> >this distinction so that all components can be edited via the filesystem
> and
> >live in the object database.

This does worry me.  I think I understand at least one motivation (ZEO),
but...

Well, as long as it doesn't compromise my ability to write Zope python code
using filesystem tools, it should be OK.  It just makes me nervous .

--RDM


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Re: [Zope-dev] dtml-in batching improved

2001-06-01 Thread Ivo van der Wijk

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 05:36:21PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> > I've done it myself as well using (as described in the posting) two
> > dtml-in's (the second one purely for displaying the prev/next links).
> >
> > Is your solution any different? (The only one I can think of is storing
> > the info in your REQUEST object and using it later, but that's really
> > ugly.)
> 
> Nope, my solution used only one dtml-in and maybe a dtml-let, no REQUEST
> munging :-)
> 

Ok, show me :)

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Matt Hamilton

> - the version.txt in lib/python/ says:
>   Zope 2.4.0a1 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
>   which sounds a bit funny in my ears...  Might be me, I dunno.

Actually I have wondered something about that... Why does it always show
up as linux2 even when not on linux?  I'm on FreeBSD using a compiled from
source python and Zope and it still shows up as Linux.

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Erik Enge

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Brian Lloyd wrote:

> Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 has been released - you can download it from
> Zope.org:

Cool stuff.

I have a couple of comments, though.  For future ref., should I post them
to the Collector?

- lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/__init__.py is missing the ZPL

- why is Catalog.gif in Products/ZCatalog and not in
  Products/ZCatalog/www like ZCatalog.gif?

- the version.txt in lib/python/ says:
  Zope 2.4.0a1 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
  which sounds a bit funny in my ears...  Might be me, I dunno.

The biggest one is the fact that I can't build it, but I think that's a
problem with my Python installation.

Once I've got it up and running I might do some actual testing, which I'm
looking forward to! :)


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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Holger Lehmann

Hi Brian, hi all,

great to hear this.

Now comes a tricky question:

Suppose we are running a Linux Kernel 2.4.x and using the latest Python 2.x 
distribution. And supposing we can recompile all code if neccessary:

How large can a Data.fs grow until it breaks ?
We need to be able to store about 7.5 GBytes (note: Gigabytes) in the ZODB. I 
would rather use the ZODB than a LocalFS 

Thanks in advance 
- Holger


Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2001 22:55 schrieb Brian Lloyd:
> Hello all,
>
>   Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 has been released - you can download it from
>   Zope.org:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/
>
>
>   Highlights of what is new in Zope 2.4:
>
> - Zope 2.4 supports (and requires) Python 2.1
>
> - New restricted execution architecture
>
> - WebDAV Level 2 locking support
>
> - New "WebDAV Access" permission
>
> - A new built-in 'Authenticated' role
>
> - Product refresh without restart during development
>
> - New "Drop-in indexes" support for ZCatalog
>
>
>   Be sure to see the Zope 2.4 Migration Guide:
>
>http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0/Zope24MigrationGuide.html
>
>   which outlines the new features and provides other important
>   information for users of Zope 2.4.
>
>   For more information on what is new in this release, see the
>   CHANGES.txt and HISTORY.txt files for the release:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/CHANGES.txt
>
> http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/HISTORY.txt
>
>   For more information on the available Zope releases, guidance for
>   selecting the right distribution and installation instructions,
>   please see:
>
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>
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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Lalo Martins

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 07:33:43AM +1000, Albert Langer wrote:
> 
> "A note to component developers - as of Zope 2.4 ExtensionClass has not been
> updated to support all of the new "magic protocols" that Python classes
> support (we're hoping that EC will go away soon)."
> 
> What does "hoping that EC will go away soon" mean? I thought that
> ExtensionClass was pretty
> fundamental to Zope?? Does this just mean that the limitation on "magic
> protocols" will go away soon, or is there some URL I should look at re
> replacement for EC?

EC are a fix for a problem that shouldn't exist in Python
(inability to inherit from classes defined in C/C++).

By "hoping that EC will go away soon", I assume they mean the
PythonLabs folks are working on fixing this for once in Python
itself. Right?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Browser Timeout

2001-06-01 Thread Andre Schubert

"R. David Murray" schrieb:

> On Thu, 31 May 2001, Andre Schubert wrote:
> > I tested with lynx. If i type http://somewhere.com/foo/test i got no
> > response because timeout, this means, that RESPONSE.setStatus and the first
> > RESPONSE.write are sent back to the client if the body processing is done,
> > but i would send every command as it is processed back to the client.
> > Or is it my Zope( 2.2.4 ) on Immunix 6.2 RedHat.
>
> I presume you tested it first without the large processing to make
> sure the method was otherwise working.

Yes, i've tested it without large processing and it works fine.

as

>
>
> I haven't used RESPONSE.write myself.  I know that others on this
> list have, so hopefully someone will chime in with a working example
> or a debuggin suggestion.  Of course, it's always possible that
> streaming got broken at some point; I'm not sure that it gets used
> by very many people so breakage may take a while to get noticed...
>
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