Re: [Zope-dev] ZServerSSL proposal

2001-07-09 Thread Chris Withers

Shane Hathaway wrote:
 
 Zopistas,
 
 Please support or denounce this proposal.  Integrated HTTPS support in
 Zope would be really nice IMHO.
 
 http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ZServerSSLIntegration

With this, would it be possible to only allow management screen access through
ZServerSSL as the Zope default standard?

That would be very cool :-)

Chris



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[Zope-dev] Pack tops ZEO Client :-(

2001-07-09 Thread Chris Withers

Hi,

I just tried to pack a 2.4.0b2 Zope server via a ZEO client connected to it. The
browser icon just sat there and spun.
When I did a top on the server, none of the threads for the ZEO client or the
ZSS were anywhere to be seen ;-(

Any ideas what happened?

cheers,

Chris

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[Zope-dev] ZEO Client: More Info, still :-(

2001-07-09 Thread Chris Withers

 browser icon just sat there and spun.
 When I did a top on the server, none of the threads for the ZEO client or the
 ZSS were anywhere to be seen ;-(

...and restarting the cient didn't help, the storage server has died, and
nastily too.

The stop script didn't stop it properly, when I tried to restart the ZSS, I got
a lock error :-(

This seems to happen off and on for a lot of people and I'd love to do anything
I can to make it go away...

How can I gelp?

Chris

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[Zope-dev] zope core dump

2001-07-09 Thread seb bacon

I just tried to restart zope and got a core dump.  The backtrace
(pasted below) indicated a problem with the binascii module, and sure
enough, trying to import it reproduced the segfault.  I reinstalled
python and it all worked again.

This isn't strictly a Zope issue but I wondered if anyone's seen
this before, or can explain what might have happened?  I'm a bit out
of my depth when it comes to this kind of thing...

cheers,

seb



(top of backtrace follows)

#0  0x40181ba3 in frame_dummy ()
   from /home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so
#1  0x40181a01 in _init ()
   from /home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so
#2  0x40130c0a in dl_open_worker (a=0xbfffaa48) at dl-open.c:199
#3  0x4000ac3b in _dl_catch_error () at dl-error.c:99
#4  0x40130d1d in _dl_open () at dl-open.c:210
#5  0x4002e3d3 in dlopen_doit (a=0xbfffab58) at dlopen.c:41
#6  0x4000ac3b in _dl_catch_error () at dl-error.c:99
#7  0x4002e8b9 in _dlerror_run (operate=0x4002e3a8 dlopen_doit, 
args=0xbfffab58) at dlerror.c:125
#8  0x4002e393 in __dlopen_check (
file=0xbfffaea4 /home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so, 
mode=2) at dlopen.c:53
#9  0x8069e14 in _PyImport_GetDynLoadFunc (fqname=0xbfffb334 binascii, 
shortname=0xbfffb334 binascii, 
pathname=0xbfffaea4 /home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so, 
fp=0x8266ff8) at dynload_shlib.c:81
#10 0x80640c7 in _PyImport_LoadDynamicModule (name=0xbfffb334 binascii, 
pathname=0xbfffaea4 /home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so, 
fp=0x8266ff8) at ./importdl.c:42

#11 0x806279e in load_module (name=0xbfffb334 binascii, fp=0x8266ff8, 
buf=0xbfffaea4 /home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so,
 type=3) at import.c:1236
#12 0x8063355 in import_submodule (mod=0x80b7bcc, 
subname=0xbfffb334 binascii, fullname=0xbfffb334 binascii)
at import.c:1755
#13 0x8062f53 in load_next (mod=0x80b7bcc, altmod=0x80b7bcc, 

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[Zope-dev] Management Interface in ZODB

2001-07-09 Thread Tim R Ansell

I have a couple of small patches here that allow you to override the
manage options (i.e. manage_tabs, manage_page_header,
manage_page_footer) in the ZODB. This simple patch seems a nice way to
provide this option without breaking compatibility with the current
system. It patches the App/Management.py and OFS/Application.py file.

This also causes risk of locking yourself out of management, there are 2
ways around this problem; First is to ftp/webDAV in and delete the
offending file.
I've also added a SUPPRESS_CUST_MANAGE option, (for example
abc/SUPPRESS_CUST_MANAGE/manage_main) when this is in the path it will
stop use the core zope management interface instead of the custom ones.
The problem with this is that i get a Override instance at 8189638
instead of the DTML code that should be in place of the object. As well
this option IS NOT thread safe. I'm looking for a better solution but i
can't think of one?

What do people think of this patch? Is there a better way to do this? Is
it possible to get a patch similar to this integrated into the Zope core
because it's an extremely useful.

Hope to hear from you soon

Mithro

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Re: [Zope-dev] zope core dump

2001-07-09 Thread Andreas Jung

I have never seen such a problem with binascii. If you can track it
down or get a reproducable testcase please submit it to the Python
bug tracker.

Andreas
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From: seb bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Montag, 9. Juli 2001 09:32
Subject: [Zope-dev] zope core dump


 I just tried to restart zope and got a core dump.  The backtrace
 (pasted below) indicated a problem with the binascii module, and sure
 enough, trying to import it reproduced the segfault.  I reinstalled
 python and it all worked again.

 This isn't strictly a Zope issue but I wondered if anyone's seen
 this before, or can explain what might have happened?  I'm a bit out
 of my depth when it comes to this kind of thing...

 cheers,

 seb

 

 (top of backtrace follows)

 #0  0x40181ba3 in frame_dummy ()
from /home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so
 #1  0x40181a01 in _init ()
from /home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so
 #2  0x40130c0a in dl_open_worker (a=0xbfffaa48) at dl-open.c:199
 #3  0x4000ac3b in _dl_catch_error () at dl-error.c:99
 #4  0x40130d1d in _dl_open () at dl-open.c:210
 #5  0x4002e3d3 in dlopen_doit (a=0xbfffab58) at dlopen.c:41
 #6  0x4000ac3b in _dl_catch_error () at dl-error.c:99
 #7  0x4002e8b9 in _dlerror_run (operate=0x4002e3a8 dlopen_doit,
 args=0xbfffab58) at dlerror.c:125
 #8  0x4002e393 in __dlopen_check (
 file=0xbfffaea4
/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so, mode=2) at
dlopen.c:53
 #9  0x8069e14 in _PyImport_GetDynLoadFunc (fqname=0xbfffb334 binascii,
 shortname=0xbfffb334 binascii,
 pathname=0xbfffaea4
/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so, fp=0x8266ff8)
at dynload_shlib.c:81
 #10 0x80640c7 in _PyImport_LoadDynamicModule (name=0xbfffb334 binascii,
 pathname=0xbfffaea4
/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so, fp=0x8266ff8)
at ./importdl.c:42

 #11 0x806279e in load_module (name=0xbfffb334 binascii, fp=0x8266ff8,
 buf=0xbfffaea4
/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/binascii.so,
  type=3) at import.c:1236
 #12 0x8063355 in import_submodule (mod=0x80b7bcc,
 subname=0xbfffb334 binascii, fullname=0xbfffb334 binascii)
 at import.c:1755
 #13 0x8062f53 in load_next (mod=0x80b7bcc, altmod=0x80b7bcc,

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[Zope-dev] LDAPLoginAdapter

2001-07-09 Thread Nicolas Vincent

I use Zope 2.3.2, python 1.5.2 and python_LDAP 1.1 . I want to use 
loginadapter 1.5 to authenticate the users who try to connect to the portal 
I build and during all his session I need to know a lot of things about this 
user. The loginadapter connects itself to the localhost:390 wich is linked 
by a secure stunnel to the port 389 of another machine which is a OpenLDAP 
2.* server.

I use the Loginscreen  cookie option of the configure tab and
the RDN of the LDAP database is uid. The authentication is made
by uid and work perfectly. My first problem is that : Where I can
get the LDAP attributs (such mail or another descriptive field of
the LDAP database) after the authentication? AUTHENTICATED_USER contains 
only the uid (AUTHENTICATED_USER.mail for example is not define, even if I 
specify it in the loginadapter schema).

My second problem is that when I do a research with the search tab
of the Loginadapter, it doesn't find anything, as if the database would be 
empty. On the contrary, the research with the search tab of the 
LDAPUserManager work perfectly.

   Thanks for your futur response

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Re: [Zope-dev] Management Interface in ZODB

2001-07-09 Thread Andreas Jung


From: Tim R Ansell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Montag, 9. Juli 2001 09:03
Subject: [Zope-dev] Management Interface in ZODB


 
 What do people think of this patch? Is there a better way to do this? Is
 it possible to get a patch similar to this integrated into the Zope core
 because it's an extremely useful.

If you like to provide patches to the Zope core please use the collector
to submit the patches.

Andreas

P.S. Please don't post larger patches to the mailing list. Instead
put the patches on your member page on www.zope.org and write a small
announcement with the URL of the patches.


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Re: [Zope-dev] LDAPLoginAdapter

2001-07-09 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

i already answered this question responding to the tracker issue you filed.
  see this URL for the complete answer:

http://www.dataflake.org/software/tracker/56/2

jens


On Monday, July 9, 2001, at 04:07 , Nicolas Vincent wrote:

 I use Zope 2.3.2, python 1.5.2 and python_LDAP 1.1 . I want to use 
 loginadapter 1.5 to authenticate the users who try to connect to the 
 portal I build and during all his session I need to know a lot of things 
 about this user. The loginadapter connects itself to the localhost:390 
 wich is linked by a secure stunnel to the port 389 of another machine 
 which is a OpenLDAP 2.* server.

 I use the Loginscreen  cookie option of the configure tab and
 the RDN of the LDAP database is uid. The authentication is made
 by uid and work perfectly. My first problem is that : Where I can
 get the LDAP attributs (such mail or another descriptive field of
 the LDAP database) after the authentication? AUTHENTICATED_USER contains 
 only the uid (AUTHENTICATED_USER.mail for example is not define, even if 
 I specify it in the loginadapter schema).

 My second problem is that when I do a research with the search tab
 of the Loginadapter, it doesn't find anything, as if the database would 
 be empty. On the contrary, the research with the search tab of the 
 LDAPUserManager work perfectly.

   Thanks for your futur response

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[Zope-dev] How long below the radar?

2001-07-09 Thread Jerry Spicklemire

Hi Zope Folks,

My apologies if this is not the proper forum for such a post. 
Please point me to a more appropriate list if you know of one.

Also, sorry for the extended absence, things are hectic lately.
I have been trying to keep up with the lists, but as you all must
know, doing that well could be a full time job.

Not to revive the Zope needs an E-Commerce, Membership, etc. 
thread that flamed not far from here in the recent past, but 
something just turned up that is hard to ignore. 

So, I have a request for you each to kindly consider. 

Please try to set aside whatever pressing need you're currently 
focused on for a moment and look at the very big picture. Zope 
has such potential and is already serving so many with 
unparallaled power and flexibility, but is still in the closet. 

Maybe that is the natural state for a rapidly maturing Open 
Source project. After all, Linux itself was a labor in 
obscurity sort of amateur project for nearly a decade. Please 
note, the true meaning of amateur derives from it's root word 
which is latin for love. Linus is not the first to procalaim 
the value of efforts extended for the love of the art. 

If so, then never mind (as Gilda Radner used to say in the 
persona of the perenially confused Emily Litella).

On the other hand, if you like myself remain mystified that Zope 
hasn't made a massive splash in the Application Server market, 
then maybe it's time to think about the grand plan.

This blurb struck a chord, and frankly kind of ticked me off:

 http://serverwatch.internet.com/news/2001_07_09_a.html

Most of the substance is quoted below. 

'the worldwide application server market bucked all trends and 
grew 128 percent, reaching almost $2.2 billion in 2000'

'on top of 1999's worldwide revenue growth of 110 percent to 
$957 million.'

'It's difficult to overstate the significance of this growth rate. 
When a market reaches the level of maturity that the [application 
server software platform] ASSP market reached in 1999, annual growth 
usually slows, not accelerates, said Steve Garone, IDC's vice 
president of Application Development and Deployment research.'

'Survival in the ASSP market requires more than just ASSP products. 
Vendors need to provide an e-business platform that includes all the 
functions necessary to build and deploy e-business applications, 
leveraging the ASSP as the foundation layer, Garone said. BEA and 
IBM both understand this requirement.'

Now for the big picture part. Certainly one of the great strengths 
of Open Source projects has been diversity, and scratching the 
assorted itches of a broad range of users. How could we truly 
appreciate Python, if there had been no Perl? ;)

On the other hand, with a global cadre of talented Zope users 
toiling away, there is bound to be more than a little duplicate 
effort. How about treating some of the most critically needed 
Zope modules as a community project? Can a community wide process 
be adopted so that an architecture can be established, and the 
components then be built by individuals or small teams, and then 
dropped into place? 

Such a scheme wouldn't rule out duplicate effort, if folks think 
that the benefits of jovial competition and meritocracy are 
essential, but it could help point all the wonderful things that 
Zope contributors have and continue to create in a direction where 
more stuff plays nice with it's neighbors, at the very least. 

ZPatterns was intended to enable some of this, and of course there 
are other approaches as well. Getting Zope to a point where it's 
own elements can all get along would be a great first step, but 
the ultimate goal is actually much bigger than this. 

For example, see the work underway at GNU Enterprise (gnue.org). 
The GNUe project has settled on some of the finest that Open Source 
has to offer when selecting their foundation toolkit. The concept 
behind the GNUe Forms has echoes in the Zope world already. A GNUe 
form based application has it's screens defined as XML files, 
which can then be rendered by any of a number of cross-platform 
clients. An XML based application interface would be treated as 
an aspect of the implementation.

There is no reason a Zope client could not be provided that 
would instantly empower the GNUe suite as a Zope plug-in, or Zope 
as a Web enabling plug-in to GNUe. If you are wondering why GNUe 
matters, take a look. The GNUe team is building nothing less than 
a GNU licensed Enterprise Resource Management system, along with 
virtually every critical business function from financials to B2B 
and EDI. 

Maybe flying under the radar is exactly the right place to be, 
if it empowers Open Source service providers to help small to 
mid-size customers to leverage a full ERP system. GNUe will be 
the kind of technology that only the GMs and GEs of the world 
have been able to afford, up to now. Unfortunately, my experience 
is that such customers are even less informed about the benefits 
of Open 

Re: [Zope-dev] How long below the radar? [off-topic]

2001-07-09 Thread Alex Satrapa

On Tuesday, July 10, 2001, at 03:26 , Jerry Spicklemire wrote:
 Maybe that is the natural state for a rapidly maturing Open
 Source project. After all, Linux itself was a labor in
 obscurity sort of amateur project for nearly a decade.

By the time Linux hit the popular press it was well entrenched in 
corporate DNS, email and web servers.

 On the other hand, if you like myself remain mystified that Zope
 hasn't made a massive splash in the Application Server market,
 then maybe it's time to think about the grand plan.

Does Zope really need to make a big splash anywhere?

Zope will get adopted by word of mouth. People who use it will end up 
developing their commissioned works in it, and the installed base will 
grow exactly as fast as it can be supported.

Alex

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Re: [Zope-dev] How long below the radar?

2001-07-09 Thread Andy

 Maybe flying under the radar is exactly the right place to be,
 if it empowers Open Source service providers to help small to
 mid-size customers to leverage a full ERP system. GNUe will be
 the kind of technology that only the GMs and GEs of the world
 have been able to afford, up to now. Unfortunately, my experience
 is that such customers are even less informed about the benefits
 of Open Source options, and thus even less likely to embrace a
 no-name solution.

Absolutely, the fact that Zope is Open Source is not generally a huge
selling point to those outside Open Source, and those in it know about it
already. The pitch to the corporate types that make decisions is based on
things such as GUI tools, easy install and packages, books available,
programmer availability, maintainability, security and so on. These are
improving but unfortunately some things such as the Windows installation do
tend to suffer.

I still think the lack of packages that you can install and get some package
working easily is the biggest hurdle, Zope is a bunch of building blocks.
The two biggest CMF and Squishdot are doing well and / or going to do well.
But this is unfortunately the minority. I hate to go back to the Ecommerce
thread again, but that could be a killer Zope app, just imagine a click
install to an ecommerce Zope server.

One late night on irc we were talking about forming the RedHat of Zope and a
company to sell value added distributions... DC cant do everything, but some
of things do need to happen.

Cheers.
--
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