Re: Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?
On Thu, 2006-02-03 at 10:32 -0500, Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 02 March 2006 10:29, Stefane Fermigier wrote: Geoff Davis wrote: I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great. I think it is stupid. Me too!! Not I. Particularly not if we want further adoption Zed outside of the zope community. And for the record, I could care less what the name is. But I do think someone in this thread made a good point -- having a name without zope will allow for much easier adoption by the rest of the python community. And isn't that what we're all here for? Profile: Zed, plays nice with others - Rocky -- Rocky Burt AdaptiveWave - Consulting, Training, and Content Management as a Service http://www.adaptivewave.com Content Management Made Simple ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions?
On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 09:30 +0100, Max M wrote: Benji York wrote: If we want people outside of the zope community to use these components, they should not have the word zope anywhere in their name. If it says zope people will *always* assume it is for use only with/inside Zope (Zope 2 more often than not). Would we want people outside the community to do this? We want as much as the python developer as possible to use pieces of zope. This means those pieces of zope will have had greater testing, more reviewing, and ultimately, more people contributing. At this point, I think the number of people that already use zope3 components and have never used zope the application server would be larger than expected. For those who don't get put off by names right away, zope3 CA is a nice piece of work. - Rocky -- Rocky Burt AdaptiveWave - Consulting, Training, and Content Management as a Service http://www.adaptivewave.com Content Management Made Simple ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?
On Thu, 2006-02-03 at 16:49 +0100, Paul Everitt wrote: I think Geoff's core point could be met by keeping the word Zope for the app server. I think Geoff's deeper point was to rethink the word used for the CA, which actually doesn't want to be thought of us an app server. +1 -- Rocky Burt AdaptiveWave - Consulting, Training, and Content Management as a Service http://www.adaptivewave.com Content Management Made Simple ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Re: Re: Two visions
On Thu, 2006-02-03 at 19:31 +, Stefane Fermigier wrote: Strange how (most of) the Plone people seem to be so quick in willing to sacrifice the Zope brand :( Were this truly the case, most Plone people wouldn't bother contributing to this thread. But the reality is -- I (from a Plone people point of view) am very concerned about the future of Zope from both technology and marketing standpoints. I do python/zope/plone consulting for a living -- it thrills me when I can say to a fairly technology-savvy client that I will deploy my solution on top of Zope and they say, Oh Zope? I've heard thats pretty good. And yes, it has happened. - Rocky -- Rocky Burt AdaptiveWave - Consulting, Training, and Content Management as a Service http://www.adaptivewave.com Content Management Made Simple ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions?
Rocky Burt wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 09:30 +0100, Max M wrote: Benji York wrote: If we want people outside of the zope community to use these components, they should not have the word zope anywhere in their name. If it says zope people will *always* assume it is for use only with/inside Zope (Zope 2 more often than not). Would we want people outside the community to do this? We want as much as the python developer as possible to use pieces of zope. This means those pieces of zope will have had greater testing, more reviewing, and ultimately, more people contributing. I am *not* against other developers using bits of Zope. So I am sort of being the devils advocate here. But everytime it is mentioned, it is allways mentioned as a purely good thing. But it is in fact not without cost. Eg. conflicting interrests of 'external' and 'internal' users, or code that becomes more complex because of different use cases. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
