Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11
Did this restarting problem start with Zope 2.4.x? Was is there in 2.3.x because were are thinking of downgrading to 2.3.x? Thanks for your help Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/02 21:26 PM Hmm. This doesn't look any better. ;-) I'm not sure how to tell you to get more relevant information from gdb. Ahsan Imam wrote: Our site is so heavily dependent on the mysql connection that it would lose majority of the functionality. I added the -Z'' option and here is the command ps axww | grep z2 looks like: /usr/bin/python /usr/local/zope/z2.py -z /usr/local/zope -a zslave2.newtimes.com -Z '' -t 7 -w 8080 -p - -f - -m - -F 8889 -l /usr/local/zslave2/var/zope.log gdb #0 0x4008c8a5 in __sigsuspend (set=0x415cefbc) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c:45 45 ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c: No such file or directory. in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/02 16:45 PM You have a core file from the zdaemon process.. it's sorta useless as a result. If you want to get a meaningful core file, run Zope without ZDaemon (pass -Z '' to the start script). That said, we've confirmed crashbug problems in an installation with mysqlda in at least one customer site. Can you make this problem happen without mysqlda? Ahsan Imam wrote: Applied the db.py patch and no success. Currently dowloaded and installed the Zope 2.4.4 beta 1 Python Version python 2.1.2 ZMySQLDA Here is a little excerpt from gdb Would the following output have any special meaning? gdb python core #0 0x4008c8a5 in __sigsuspend (set=0x415cf19c) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c:45 45 ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c: No such file or directory. in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11
I dont know what the restarting problem is at this point. It may have to do with the MySQL database adapter but you say you're not able to run the site without it so there's no way to tell and no way for me to really help beyond recommending that you run the site without it. Sorry. Downgrading to Zope 2.3.3 might work; might not. Ahsan Imam wrote: Did this restarting problem start with Zope 2.4.x? Was is there in 2.3.x because were are thinking of downgrading to 2.3.x? Thanks for your help Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/02 21:26 PM Hmm. This doesn't look any better. ;-) I'm not sure how to tell you to get more relevant information from gdb. Ahsan Imam wrote: Our site is so heavily dependent on the mysql connection that it would lose majority of the functionality. I added the -Z'' option and here is the command ps axww | grep z2 looks like: /usr/bin/python /usr/local/zope/z2.py -z /usr/local/zope -a zslave2.newtimes.com -Z '' -t 7 -w 8080 -p - -f - -m - -F 8889 -l /usr/local/zslave2/var/zope.log gdb #0 0x4008c8a5 in __sigsuspend (set=0x415cefbc) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c:45 45 ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c: No such file or directory. in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/02 16:45 PM You have a core file from the zdaemon process.. it's sorta useless as a result. If you want to get a meaningful core file, run Zope without ZDaemon (pass -Z '' to the start script). That said, we've confirmed crashbug problems in an installation with mysqlda in at least one customer site. Can you make this problem happen without mysqlda? Ahsan Imam wrote: Applied the db.py patch and no success. Currently dowloaded and installed the Zope 2.4.4 beta 1 Python Version python 2.1.2 ZMySQLDA Here is a little excerpt from gdb Would the following output have any special meaning? gdb python core #0 0x4008c8a5 in __sigsuspend (set=0x415cf19c) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c:45 45 ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c: No such file or directory. in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11
Applied the db.py patch and no success. Currently dowloaded and installed the Zope 2.4.4 beta 1 Python Version python 2.1.2 ZMySQLDA Here is a little excerpt from gdb Would the following output have any special meaning? gdb python core #0 0x4008c8a5 in __sigsuspend (set=0x415cf19c) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c:45 45 ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c: No such file or directory. in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c Matthew T. Kromer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/25/02 15:13 PM Ahsan Imam wrote: Setting the variable did not help. I downloaded and built Python 2.1.2 yesterday. Products: zope-tinytable-0.8.2-2 zope-zmysqlda-2.0.7-5 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/24/02 12:22 PM Sigh. Can you try to start Zope with the environment variable ZOPE_SECURITY_POLICY=PYTHON set to see if the problem continues? Are you using any database adapters or other C extensions? Are you sure that Zope is using the Python 2.1.2 that you installed? Try applying this patch to db.py in ZMySQLDA. It makes it so MySQLDA database connections reopen themselves when the DA object migrates between threads. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11
You have a core file from the zdaemon process.. it's sorta useless as a result. If you want to get a meaningful core file, run Zope without ZDaemon (pass -Z '' to the start script). That said, we've confirmed crashbug problems in an installation with mysqlda in at least one customer site. Can you make this problem happen without mysqlda? Ahsan Imam wrote: Applied the db.py patch and no success. Currently dowloaded and installed the Zope 2.4.4 beta 1 Python Version python 2.1.2 ZMySQLDA Here is a little excerpt from gdb Would the following output have any special meaning? gdb python core #0 0x4008c8a5 in __sigsuspend (set=0x415cf19c) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c:45 45 ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c: No such file or directory. in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigsuspend.c Matthew T. Kromer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/25/02 15:13 PM Ahsan Imam wrote: Setting the variable did not help. I downloaded and built Python 2.1.2 yesterday. Products: zope-tinytable-0.8.2-2 zope-zmysqlda-2.0.7-5 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/24/02 12:22 PM Sigh. Can you try to start Zope with the environment variable ZOPE_SECURITY_POLICY=PYTHON set to see if the problem continues? Are you using any database adapters or other C extensions? Are you sure that Zope is using the Python 2.1.2 that you installed? Try applying this patch to db.py in ZMySQLDA. It makes it so MySQLDA database connections reopen themselves when the DA object migrates between threads. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11
Should I install a new version of mysqlda? Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/24/02 13:50 PM I'd suspect mysqlda. - Original Message - From: Ahsan Imam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11 Setting the variable did not help. I downloaded and built Python 2.1.2 yesterday. Products: zope-tinytable-0.8.2-2 zope-zmysqlda-2.0.7-5 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/24/02 12:22 PM Sigh. Can you try to start Zope with the environment variable ZOPE_SECURITY_POLICY=PYTHON set to see if the problem continues? Are you using any database adapters or other C extensions? Are you sure that Zope is using the Python 2.1.2 that you installed? - Original Message - From: Ahsan Imam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: [Zope-dev] Error 11 Hey Chris, 1) Installed Python 2.1.2 (with threads and without pymalloc) 2) Got the latest cvs built of zope 2.4. 3) Then compiled zope wo pcgi. 4) Even tried with the Zope 2.5 beta. Zope still keeps restarting every 10 to 15 minutes. Excerpt from the stupid.log: 2002-01-24T16:53:01 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:01 2002: Aiieee! 21993 exited with error code: 11 -- 2002-01-24T16:53:02 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:02 2002: Houston, we have forked -- 2002-01-24T16:53:02 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:02 2002: Houston, we have forked -- 2002-01-24T16:53:02 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:02 2002: Hi, I just forked off a kid: 22007 -- 2002-01-24T16:53:04 PROBLEM(100) OFS.Application Duplicate Product name After loading Product 'Customizations' from '/usr/local/zslave2/Products', I skipped the one in '/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products'. -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZODB Opening database for mounting: '148382768_1011864262.427182' -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZODB Mounted database '148382768_1011864262.427182' at /temp_folder -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) Zope Default Object Creation /usr/local/zope/lib/python/../../import/Examples.zexp examples import file could not be found. -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZServer HTTP server started at Thu Jan 24 09:53:13 2002 Hostname: node1.newtimes.com Port: 8080 -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZServer FastCGI Server (V1.0) started at Thu Jan 24 09:53:13 2002 IP : zslave2.newtimes.com Port: 8889 Socket path : None ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11
You should try to diagnose the problem first by eliminating mysqlda. - Original Message - From: Ahsan Imam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11 Should I install a new version of mysqlda? Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/24/02 13:50 PM I'd suspect mysqlda. - Original Message - From: Ahsan Imam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11 Setting the variable did not help. I downloaded and built Python 2.1.2 yesterday. Products: zope-tinytable-0.8.2-2 zope-zmysqlda-2.0.7-5 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/24/02 12:22 PM Sigh. Can you try to start Zope with the environment variable ZOPE_SECURITY_POLICY=PYTHON set to see if the problem continues? Are you using any database adapters or other C extensions? Are you sure that Zope is using the Python 2.1.2 that you installed? - Original Message - From: Ahsan Imam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: [Zope-dev] Error 11 Hey Chris, 1) Installed Python 2.1.2 (with threads and without pymalloc) 2) Got the latest cvs built of zope 2.4. 3) Then compiled zope wo pcgi. 4) Even tried with the Zope 2.5 beta. Zope still keeps restarting every 10 to 15 minutes. Excerpt from the stupid.log: 2002-01-24T16:53:01 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:01 2002: Aiieee! 21993 exited with error code: 11 -- 2002-01-24T16:53:02 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:02 2002: Houston, we have forked -- 2002-01-24T16:53:02 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:02 2002: Houston, we have forked -- 2002-01-24T16:53:02 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:02 2002: Hi, I just forked off a kid: 22007 -- 2002-01-24T16:53:04 PROBLEM(100) OFS.Application Duplicate Product name After loading Product 'Customizations' from '/usr/local/zslave2/Products', I skipped the one in '/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products'. -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZODB Opening database for mounting: '148382768_1011864262.427182' -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZODB Mounted database '148382768_1011864262.427182' at /temp_folder -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) Zope Default Object Creation /usr/local/zope/lib/python/../../import/Examples.zexp examples import file could not be found. -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZServer HTTP server started at Thu Jan 24 09:53:13 2002 Hostname: node1.newtimes.com Port: 8080 -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZServer FastCGI Server (V1.0) started at Thu Jan 24 09:53:13 2002 IP : zslave2.newtimes.com Port: 8889 Socket path : None ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11
Ahsan Imam wrote:
Setting the variable did not help.
I downloaded and built Python 2.1.2 yesterday.
Products:
zope-tinytable-0.8.2-2
zope-zmysqlda-2.0.7-5
Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/24/02 12:22 PM
Sigh. Can you try to start Zope with the environment variable
ZOPE_SECURITY_POLICY=PYTHON set to see if the problem continues?
Are you using any database adapters or other C extensions?
Are you sure that Zope is using the Python 2.1.2 that you installed?
Try applying this patch to db.py in ZMySQLDA.
It makes it so MySQLDA database connections reopen themselves when the
DA object migrates between threads.
--- ../ZMySQLDA-orig/db.py Thu Sep 6 23:45:35 2001
+++ db.py Tue Jan 8 14:24:52 2002
@@ -104,6 +104,7 @@
import string, sys
from string import strip, split, find, upper, rfind
from time import time
+import thread
hosed_connection = (
CR.SERVER_GONE_ERROR,
@@ -180,11 +181,12 @@
self.connection=connection
self.kwargs = kwargs = self._parse_connection_string(connection)
self.db=apply(self.Database_Connection, (), kwargs)
- self.transactions = self.db.server_capabilities CLIENT.TRANSACTIONS
+ self.transactions = self.db.server_capabilities CLIENT.TRANSACTIONS
if self._try_transactions == '-':
self.transactions = 0
elif not self.transactions and self._try_transactions == '+':
raise NotSupportedError, transactions not supported by this server
+self._v_tid = thread.get_ident()
def _parse_connection_string(self, connection):
kwargs = {'conv': self.conv}
@@ -275,6 +277,10 @@
desc=None
result=()
db=self.db
+# Because we might not be thread-safe across threads...
+if not self._v_tid == thread.get_ident():
+db=self.db=apply(self.Database_Connection, (), self.kwargs)
+self._v_tid = thread.get_ident()
try:
for qs in filter(None, map(strip,split(query_string, '\0'))):
qtype = upper(split(qs, None, 1)[0])
@@ -297,7 +303,7 @@
except OperationalError, m:
if m[0] not in hosed_connection: raise
# Hm. maybe the db is hosed. Let's restart it.
- db=self.db=apply(self.Database_Connection, (), self.kwargs)
+db=self.db=apply(self.Database_Connection, (), self.kwargs)
return self.query(query_string, max_rows)
if desc is None: return (),()
Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11
On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 12:57 PM, Ahsan Imam wrote: Hey Chris, 1) Installed Python 2.1.2 (with threads and without pymalloc) 2) Got the latest cvs built of zope 2.4. 3) Then compiled zope wo pcgi. 4) Even tried with the Zope 2.5 beta. Zope still keeps restarting every 10 to 15 minutes. Can you tell me what products you have installed? Any database adapters or other custom products? ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11
I'd suspect mysqlda. - Original Message - From: Ahsan Imam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Error 11 Setting the variable did not help. I downloaded and built Python 2.1.2 yesterday. Products: zope-tinytable-0.8.2-2 zope-zmysqlda-2.0.7-5 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/24/02 12:22 PM Sigh. Can you try to start Zope with the environment variable ZOPE_SECURITY_POLICY=PYTHON set to see if the problem continues? Are you using any database adapters or other C extensions? Are you sure that Zope is using the Python 2.1.2 that you installed? - Original Message - From: Ahsan Imam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: [Zope-dev] Error 11 Hey Chris, 1) Installed Python 2.1.2 (with threads and without pymalloc) 2) Got the latest cvs built of zope 2.4. 3) Then compiled zope wo pcgi. 4) Even tried with the Zope 2.5 beta. Zope still keeps restarting every 10 to 15 minutes. Excerpt from the stupid.log: 2002-01-24T16:53:01 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:01 2002: Aiieee! 21993 exited with error code: 11 -- 2002-01-24T16:53:02 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:02 2002: Houston, we have forked -- 2002-01-24T16:53:02 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:02 2002: Houston, we have forked -- 2002-01-24T16:53:02 INFO(0) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Jan 24 09:53:02 2002: Hi, I just forked off a kid: 22007 -- 2002-01-24T16:53:04 PROBLEM(100) OFS.Application Duplicate Product name After loading Product 'Customizations' from '/usr/local/zslave2/Products', I skipped the one in '/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products'. -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZODB Opening database for mounting: '148382768_1011864262.427182' -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZODB Mounted database '148382768_1011864262.427182' at /temp_folder -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) Zope Default Object Creation /usr/local/zope/lib/python/../../import/Examples.zexp examples import file could not be found. -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZServer HTTP server started at Thu Jan 24 09:53:13 2002 Hostname: node1.newtimes.com Port: 8080 -- 2002-01-24T16:53:13 INFO(0) ZServer FastCGI Server (V1.0) started at Thu Jan 24 09:53:13 2002 IP : zslave2.newtimes.com Port: 8889 Socket path : None ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
