Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?
I wondered about that. I have been following some of the dialog on the Zope 3 dev list but it is unclear to me its status. We (my office) would like to have the Web Services capability by July/August time frame (earlier if possible), so don't know if that falls in line with a stable Zope 3. Your thoughts... I dont know enough about Zope 3 to be able to tell you that. And Im not sure anyone else can either. Perhaps see how the alpha of Zope 3 goes and if you have to make a decision leave it as long as possible. It should be able work do it in either, it would just be more messy integration in Zope 2, thats all :) -- Andy McKay www.agmweb.ca ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?
Brian, I have been an active user of Zope for nearly two years. My current position affords me the opportunity to finally give something back to the community. I work for NOAA and Web Services will be a critical piece of our web architecture strategy this coming year. Our branch is located in southwestern Mississippi, so we are in the building phase (wrt python/zope expertise - no Zope developers down here except me and impossible to get anyone who has the experience to seriously consider relocating here ... Ha! ). What I am able to offer is 1-2 fulltime software engineers for as long as it takes to do this right. I have read your proposal (just after you released it last year) and thought it very well done. I like the implementation you describe and agree with your proposal 100%. The time frame that I am talking about (fulltime developer support) is beginning in January. If it is possible to get some preliminary stuff out of the way before hand, that would be great. If it would require some face time with you, that would be possible as well. Let me know if this is an agreeable arrangement and your thoughts on how we proceed from here. Any responses should be directed to my work email which is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance... Eric I've had a number of people inquire about the status of the package, but so far no one willing to volunteer to move things forward. If you (or anyone else) is interested, I'd be happy to provide any guidance I can. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?
I got a hacked together version of WebServices sort of working at ActiveState at the around the same time Brian was working on that code. I think its still working, but its no where near complete: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Syndication. Unfortunately you'd have to smile sweetly at ActiveState to get the code from them, if a quick toy, hacky implementation is all you need that might be the way. I'd really like to look at WebServices for Zope 3, perhaps it is one area I can help. Part of the problem I think was that Web Services did not slot into Zope 2 nicely especially with the automagical nature of things like XMLRPC. The Zope3 View architecture seems to be the way to go and provide a good opportunity for this. There is not currently (or at least there wasn't last I checked) a drop-in library for this that exposed what I felt would be needed, and I definitely don't have the time to implement one :) I haven't looked at ZSI for a while but as I think that was the most promising package at the time. But I'm not promising or commiting to anything because if I do it's doomed not to happen. -- Andy McKay www.agmweb.ca ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?
What I am able to offer is 1-2 fulltime software engineers for as long as it takes to do this right. I have read your proposal (just after you released it last year) and thought it very well done. I like the implementation you describe and agree with your proposal 100%. The time frame that I am talking about (fulltime developer support) is beginning in January. If it is possible to get some preliminary stuff out of the way before hand, that would be great. If it would require some face time with you, that would be possible as well. If its in Jan. would looking at Zope 3 be a better idea? -- Andy McKay www.agmweb.ca ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?
Andy, I wondered about that. I have been following some of the dialog on the Zope 3 dev list but it is unclear to me its status. We (my office) would like to have the Web Services capability by July/August time frame (earlier if possible), so don't know if that falls in line with a stable Zope 3. Your thoughts... Eric If its in Jan. would looking at Zope 3 be a better idea? -- Andy McKay www.agmweb.ca ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?
I'd like to know what happened to this proposal: http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/WebServicesForZope/FrontPage Is the WebServices package (CVS) working? Any technical reason why it was discontinued? Thanks, Stefan -- Those who write software only for pay should go hurt some other field. /Erik Naggum/ ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?
I'd like to know what happened to this proposal: http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/WebServicesForZope/FrontPage Is the WebServices package (CVS) working? Any technical reason why it was discontinued? Thanks, Stefan I'd still like to see that get finished one day. What happened is that a) there are no paying customers driving continued development and b) I haven't had any extra time to devote to it for a long while. Parts of it are working (see the unit tests for info). As for technical reasons, the next big step is to parse and model XML Schema info. There is not currently (or at least there wasn't last I checked) a drop-in library for this that exposed what I felt would be needed, and I definitely don't have the time to implement one :) An alternative would be to implement interfaces similar to what Apache's Axis does (punt and let the programmer figure it out) when faced with non-simple data types. There are enough technologies (and constant changes to those technologies) in the WS world that it requires real stakeholders, people who use WS as a part of their day job to keep up and manage a real-world usable Web Services package. Right now I don't use WS in my day job, so I'm not that guy. I've had a number of people inquire about the status of the package, but so far no one willing to volunteer to move things forward. If you (or anyone else) is interested, I'd be happy to provide any guidance I can. Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] V.P. Engineering 540.361.1716 Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
SV: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope
Well... the status is that I'm trying to work on it on an as-possible basis :) The problem is that it hasn't been very possible for the last few weeks. If you just need to generate WSDL and you're willing to live on the bleeding edge and use some code that might still change a lot in the future to get the job done, let me know and I'll be happy to send you a snapshot of what I have... Why don't you put into the public CVS instead? /Magnus ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope
On Wednesday 26 September 2001 04:41 pm, Andy McKay wrote: trying-to-auto-generate-a-wsdl-from-my-product'ly yours they're is a python script/product on ibm.com/developer that will automate much of the wsdl generation or you. its linked from one of uche's web services articles. its under the IPL (ibm pl). hth kapil ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope
On Thursday 27 September 2001 08:15 am, Brian Lloyd wrote: Can I ask what the current status of the WebServices for Zope project is? http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/WebServicesForZope/FrontPage Wiki says I had been shooting for something at the end of September, but that has been overtaken by events :( I'll be trying to work on this on an as-possible basis trying-to-auto-generate-a-wsdl-from-my-product'ly yours -- Andy McKay. Well... the status is that I'm trying to work on it on an as-possible basis :) The problem is that it hasn't been very possible for the last few weeks. i've been very curious, what the plan is for attacking the no magic problem described on the wiki. my understanding is this isn't possible without altering the publishing process. i guess i was curious if the component based publisher that was talked about at ipc9 was ever going to see the light of day or if there was another strategy that would work as well. curious, kapil thangavelu ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope
Can I ask what the current status of the WebServices for Zope project is? http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/WebServicesForZope/FrontPage Wiki says I had been shooting for something at the end of September, but that has been overtaken by events :( I'll be trying to work on this on an as-possible basis trying-to-auto-generate-a-wsdl-from-my-product'ly yours -- Andy McKay. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope
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trying-to-auto-generate-a-wsdl-from-my-product'ly yours
Hmm... in the interim, what about using ZPT (+ParsedXML, of course) and a
few python scripts to do this?
Sean
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Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope
Ugh ZPT to read through my .py files?
Parsing the .py files is relatively straight forward, and writing out xml is
easy. But its bits like variable types that get tricky.
Cheers.
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Andy McKay.
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trying-to-auto-generate-a-wsdl-from-my-product'ly yours
Hmm... in the interim, what about using ZPT (+ParsedXML, of course) and a
few python scripts to do this?
Sean
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