Re: [Zope.org Redux] Re: [Zope-dev] Let's fix the damned website

[Lennart Regebro]

Martins answer doens't seem to have arrived here, so sorry for the
weird quoting:

 On 21 Apr 2008, at 11:53 , Martin Aspeli wrote:
  Does it really matter whether a microsite lives in
  zope.org/projects/zodb or zodb.zope.org?

As mentioned, no.But it's important that it is it's own site, running
it's own version of the software, so that it can be maintained
seperately without having to upgrade all of zope.org.

  I agree with Martin. We need to stop the balkanization of Zope-the-brand.
 Yes, we have many individual projects, but we need a coherent image to the
 outside world. Microsites was a good idea to get foundation site and the
 Grok site up and running *before* tackling zope.org, but in the long run, we
 need coherence.

  Also, to be honest, I don't find the design of the new Grok website very
 attractive. And the foundation site is simple enough to be folded back into
 the main site.

I understand these points, but I repeat one last time: Zope.org has
been in dire need of upgrade for more than five years. It got one in
the beginning of this, and that produced a zope.org that wasn't very
much better, and since then, nothing happened. The main reason for
failure is that it is a monolithic gigant.

Don't make that mistake again.

Please.

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Re: [Zope.org Redux] Re: [Zope-dev] Let's fix the damned website

[Philipp von Weitershausen]

On 21 Apr 2008, at 11:53 , Martin Aspeli wrote:
 - Projects gives an explanation of how the different Zope  
projects fit
together (Zope 2, Zope 3, Grok, CMF, ZODB). Each is then given a  
subfolder
that contains a standard structure: A front page that explains the  
project
in more detail, Get (downloads), Taste (as above, but for a  
particular

project) and Learn. The Learn section should contain relevant,
up-to-date documentation.


No!

Each project should have it's own site. Like Grok has today. The
Projects page which explains what they are and how they fit together
is fine, but the different subparts will necessarily have to be
maintained by slightly different people with slightly different
requirements.

We can set up rules so that both zope.org/Projects/grok and
grok.zope.org point to the same physical place, but it is extremely
important that we do not, once again, try to make a monolithic
zope.org.

Microsites, microsites, microsites!


Does it really matter whether a microsite lives in
zope.org/projects/zodb or zodb.zope.org?

If you look at the projects now, they each have a common set of
sections - download, examples, documentation - and will be allowed to
evolve independently. They also have the option of having some
specific branding (logo, tag-line etc) as required.

If anyone steps up and wants to maintain a separate site for one of
the projects, then all the better. However, it is hard enough to get
contributors as-is, so I'm loth to do anything that increases the
maintenance or setup burden in any way until we have at least the
basics in place.


I agree with Martin. We need to stop the balkanization of Zope-the- 
brand. Yes, we have many individual projects, but we need a coherent  
image to the outside world. Microsites was a good idea to get  
foundation site and the Grok site up and running *before* tackling  
zope.org, but in the long run, we need coherence.


Also, to be honest, I don't find the design of the new Grok website  
very attractive. And the foundation site is simple enough to be folded  
back into the main site.


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