Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
Hey, I missed this so I'm very happy Jens cc-ed this onto this list. Incidentally I'd like to float the idea of moving zopewiki to (some incarnation of) zope.org. Eg put it at zope.org/wiki +1 on the idea, it wouldn't even have to be in the same Zope instance, rewrite rules can do the stitching-in. I'd assume this is more of a foundation decision, though? Consider this a foundation decision, let's do it. zope.org/wiki is the way to go. Separate instance with rewrite rules sounds a good plan to me. Jens, do you have enough zope.org fu to get this set up? Right now the whole zope.org is technically a complete unknown to me. Right now the implementation is the only thing stopping this from going ahead. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
Andrew Sawyers wrote: This is all documented in subversion IIRC. Jim will know. We need to make sure there are people in the foundation (besides Jim and ZC) who know. I'll ask Jim. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
Read what I wrote. :) A On 9/25/06 8:38 AM, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Sep 2006, at 14:31, Andrew Sawyers wrote: If it is simply taking what's running and set it up on a new set of servers, it would be fairly trivial. There's 1 or 2 zeo client servers. There's a storage server. There's cvs/svn and mail and ldap lives some where in that mix. :) That's about it. That's not trivial by any stretch of the imagination... If you wanted to rebuild that whole infrastructure you're be siting there a couple days I'd think. I don't know if there are (working) automated buildouts, if there aren't then the only way to get a working ZEO client quickly would be to copy a complete instance, file by file, from the old system and then recompile anything that is compiled. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFF83RRAx5nvEhZLIRAr7wAJwKiGSOWlKzTVp6ZbNfp16I0yGftQCeNBW9 81QmOI3B5/1CIYaK56YaW1w= =MVJU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Sep 2006, at 15:39, Andrew Sawyers wrote: Read what I wrote. :) I read what you wrote and I do not think it is trivial. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFF93tRAx5nvEhZLIRAuViAJ4v8D1spzt/OljuYrIkDKL00uYa0gCfcuEN n2eTcE2Sp2ldBJ50sDirviM= =JQO3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
On 9/25/06, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read what you wrote and I do not think it is trivial. I agree. I'd guess that for somebody that knows the LDAP software better than me, it might take a day or two. That's not trivial. It's also not hard. I'd call it ehm, Not too hard. :-) -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
There's a lot more to it then LDAP. LDAP doesn't make it hard, it just makes it harder. The goal (or lack thereof) will make it hard or trivial. Regardless, I didn't say rebuilding everything from scratch and sorting out the 'mess'. I said if it's just resetting up on a different group of servers. Regardless, it's always subjective - and it's not that hard. :) A On 9/25/06 9:56 AM, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/06, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read what you wrote and I do not think it is trivial. I agree. I'd guess that for somebody that knows the LDAP software better than me, it might take a day or two. That's not trivial. It's also not hard. I'd call it ehm, Not too hard. :-) ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
On 9/25/06 10:04 AM, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/06, Andrew Sawyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lot more to it then LDAP. LDAP doesn't make it hard For me it does. That's why I said somebody that knows it better than me. :-) Regardless, it's always subjective - and it's not that hard. :) Not that hard sounds like a reasonable compromise. :-) Now, when we agree that this is not that hard do we think we should do it? Not sure, what's the goal? :) The reason it should be done, would be to improve the underlying hardware. The other reason would be so that the community can manage all aspects of it's setup. If it's still like it was, then parts of the architecture are not going to be accessible by anyone in the community. If I were doing it, I would put as little effort into the existing setup as possible and all effort into where it's going. Personally, I don't care where www.zope.org is currently located, and I also think we should replace it part by part with microsites, like wiki.zope.org, bugs.zope.org, news.zope.org, products.zope.org and so on, until www.zope.org gets useless, and we can move it to old.zope.org and replace it with a new snazzy front-page, linking to all the other sites. That's easily done with rewrite rules at the cache. Andrew ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
On 9/25/06, Andrew Sawyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason it should be done, would be to improve the underlying hardware. The other reason would be so that the community can manage all aspects of it's setup. If it's still like it was, then parts of the architecture are not going to be accessible by anyone in the community. If I were doing it, I would put as little effort into the existing setup as possible and all effort into where it's going. I totaly agree with that. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 9/25/06, Andrew Sawyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason it should be done, would be to improve the underlying hardware. The other reason would be so that the community can manage all aspects of it's setup. If it's still like it was, then parts of the architecture are not going to be accessible by anyone in the community. If I were doing it, I would put as little effort into the existing setup as possible and all effort into where it's going. I totaly agree with that. Me too. I'm trying to figure out how to get from here to there. Preferably I just let zope.org be what it is, and surround it with stuff that runs from new instances, either as foo.zope.org or zope.org/foo. We have several candidates to run from other instances: Particular applications: planet.zope.org wiki.zope.org Fairly simple websites, at least to start out, later we can move to CMS: www.zope.org/foundation www.zope.org/zope3 and whatever our projects infrastructure will be like: big projects: www.zope.org/projects/cmf www.zope.org/projects/zc.buildout and smaller projects: www.zope.org/projects/zc.resourcelibrary www.zope.org/projects/zc.table Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
We just need to resurface the svn location of the doc and update if necessary. A On 9/25/06 11:18 AM, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Andrew Sawyers wrote: This is all documented in subversion IIRC. Jim will know. We need to make sure there are people in the foundation (besides Jim and ZC) who know. I'll ask Jim. Actually strike out 'foundation' and read 'community' in the line above. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:38 AM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Sep 2006, at 12:05, Martijn Faassen wrote: Incidentally I'd like to float the idea of moving zopewiki to (some incarnation of) zope.org. Eg put it at zope.org/wiki +1 on the idea, it wouldn't even have to be in the same Zope instance, rewrite rules can do the stitching-in. I'd assume this is more of a foundation decision, though? Consider this a foundation decision, let's do it. zope.org/wiki is the way to go. Separate instance with rewrite rules sounds a good plan to me. Jens, do you have enough zope.org fu to get this set up? Right now the whole zope.org is technically a complete unknown to me. Right now the implementation is the only thing stopping this from going ahead. :) Unfortunately all the pieces above Zope, like rewrite setups, are out of reach and only accessible by ZC. Right. I believe there's Squid in front, and the rewrites are handled by a rewriter process. Yup. Additionally, there is no good information about the appserver tier, either. I was under the impression there were two, but when I tried to access them both I thought I always ended up on one and the same host. There are 4 instances running on two hosts. There is a storage/LDAP server. There is a pool of squid servers and load balancers. There is the machine that goes by many names, including svn.zope.org, cvs.zope.org, and mail.zope.org. The squid servers are load balancers are shared with our commercial customers. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporationhttp://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
Andrew Sawyers wrote: We just need to resurface the svn location of the doc and update if necessary. Working on getting it. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
On 9/25/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately all the pieces above Zope, like rewrite setups, are out of reach and only accessible by ZC. Right. So... A minimum change would be to move name servering to somewhere controlled by ZF? -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 9/25/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately all the pieces above Zope, like rewrite setups, are out of reach and only accessible by ZC. Right. So... A minimum change would be to move name servering to somewhere controlled by ZF? Yes, this is something Jim actually just proposed as well. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
On 9/25/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is something Jim actually just proposed as well. OK, super. Didn't see that. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
Jim Fulton wrote: the machine that goes by many names, including svn.zope.org, cvs.zope.org, and mail.zope.org. I think I'm right in saying that this poor box does have apache on it and so might not be such a bad place to stick the foundation stuff if it is just flat files? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:12 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: the machine that goes by many names, including svn.zope.org, cvs.zope.org, and mail.zope.org. I think I'm right in saying that this poor box does have apache on it and so might not be such a bad place to stick the foundation stuff if it is just flat files? Good point. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporationhttp://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Sep 2006, at 20:38, Simon Michael wrote: Incidentally I'd like to float the idea of moving zopewiki to (some incarnation of) zope.org. Eg put it at zope.org/wiki and merge the links from http://www.zope.org/Wikis/FrontPage . A zwiki product upgrade would be needed. I'm cc'ing the websites group/list (and tried to set followup-to there, but I use gmane so we'll see what happens..) +1 on the idea, it wouldn't even have to be in the same Zope instance, rewrite rules can do the stitching-in. I'd assume this is more of a foundation decision, though? jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFFYVCRAx5nvEhZLIRAnA6AJ9UpOp1dt+XN2NtbO36Oi1i54Gd9gCfbw/E 2/5vyGjmi2p9qkYwcnng+sI= =VHyq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
I'm +1 too, but think we can call it wiki.zope.org. On 9/23/06, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Sep 2006, at 20:38, Simon Michael wrote: Incidentally I'd like to float the idea of moving zopewiki to (some incarnation of) zope.org. Eg put it at zope.org/wiki and merge the links from http://www.zope.org/Wikis/FrontPage . A zwiki product upgrade would be needed. I'm cc'ing the websites group/list (and tried to set followup-to there, but I use gmane so we'll see what happens..) +1 on the idea, it wouldn't even have to be in the same Zope instance, rewrite rules can do the stitching-in. I'd assume this is more of a foundation decision, though? jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFFYVCRAx5nvEhZLIRAnA6AJ9UpOp1dt+XN2NtbO36Oi1i54Gd9gCfbw/E 2/5vyGjmi2p9qkYwcnng+sI= =VHyq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
