Re: Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3.3.0 - Why is the minimum generation for 'zope.app' 1? What's a good practice to update to generation 5 prior to my own evolver?
Oops; I think I sent this reply (initially) only to Christian. I'm sharing it now with the group. I still don't know what's going on. I finally got it working (it appears) for us by writing my own evolver that forced removal of all old Utility Registrations and also forced removing the Dependencies on the local utilities themselves. But it wasn't enough. We have to go back to Zope 3.1 for this particular project. We've lost way too much time wrestling with obscure issues last week, and I've declared Zope as hazardous to my health as it was the final straw that got me smoking again after two months clean. On 11/3/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Shell wrote: On 11/3/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, what about calling the evolve() scripts from your generation? That would be reasonable IMHO. I'm trying to do that now. And now it seems that evolve3 (for zope.app) is failing because it wants to use the new Registrations system to do something to Pluggable Auth group folders...? But of course, the new registrations system won't work until evolve4! Blargh. I was hoping to run the zope.app registrations fairly properly through the schema manager, starting from the current until I got to the level I require... But it looks like I'll have to manually monkey with the order... Humm. I know that. I thought we evened that out during beta. Out of curiosity: did you try bumping the minimum version to 5 so all generations get run at once? I tried running the 'evolve-maximum' subscriber, and set my product's maximum to just be '1' for now instead of 2 (2 being the one that wants to use the registration system). It still errors out in zope.app generation 3... Waaa! -- Jeff Shell ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] Zope 3.3.0 - Why is the minimum generation for 'zope.app' 1? What's a good practice to update to generation 5 prior to my own evolver?
I'm working on moving an old customer to our updated CMS. Their current site is running on Zope 3.1, with our new work being done on Zope 3.3. I've gone through their project, removing deprecation warnings, and watched the code work against a fresh / clean ZODB. But when I moved one of the old development databases over, things started blowing up immediately. It appears to be coming from our CMS core's evolver code. The latest generation (2) removes the old zope.app.catalog instance and replaces it and its indexes with a new zc.catalog Extent Catalog and indexes. On the last job I worked on (the first customer developed with our revised CMS), this evolver script ran fine. But that customer's ZODB started out fresh on Zope 3.3. New customer (on fresh ZODB):: connection = debugger.db.open(); cr = connection.root() cr['zope.app.generations'].items() [(u'br.cms', 2), (u'zope.app', 5)] Old customer (old ZODB, trying to evolve to new, running on Zope 3.3). This is the report _FROM_ the Zope 3.3 instance:: connection = debugger.db.open(); cr = connection.root() cr['zope.app.generations'].items() [(u'br.cms', 1), (u'zope.app', 1)] I would like those numbers to be 2 and 5. But Zope's default evolution mechanism is to evolve to minimum, and the zope.app schema manager is configured like this:: ZopeAppSchemaManager = SchemaManager( minimum_generation=1, generation=5, package_name=key) Great. Well it turns out that generations 2 through 5 do some pretty important things. In my case, I'm interested in generation 4 which evolves the Registrations so that I can unregister and delete an old catalog and replace it with zc.catalog. Unless my ZODB is updated to at least generation 4, I can't even do this from the ZMI. I downloaded Zope 3.3 again just to look at the docs to see if there was any tidbit that I missed about using generations. Because this 'evolve to minimum' scenario is just raising hell. Go ahead - find an old ZODB, run it on Zope 3.3, and try to unregister or remove a Utility in a ++etc++site/default scenario. I doubt it will work. Has no one else run into this? This is another element that seems very broken: there's this code to update one's ZODB instance when moving to a new Zope version, but it's not configured to ever execute by default. And there isn't any how to update your ZODB documentation that even mentions you may want to add the following to your overrides.zcml to ensure that the ZODB is updated to its current generation, as the minimum generation may not work on your data. Is there a reason for this? Finally, is there any way that I can easily add guards in my own scheme manager evolve() scripts to ensure that other evolutions have happened first? My `br.cms generation 2` evolver depends on the new registration system, which isn't in place on older ZODB instances unless zope.app is at generation 4 or later. This is a huge issue. I promised my boss that we could update and upgrade this old customer's code in less than a day. The customer's code now loads up without deprecation warnings on a fresh ZODB, but I'm struggling to load up an old ZODB copy with real data, and am now suddenly behind schedule. We have at least three more customer code bases beyond this one that we want to update as well. I'm trying to think of a better way to automate this situation for us so that development and deployment can be pretty transparent. -- Jeff Shell ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3.3.0 - Why is the minimum generation for 'zope.app' 1? What's a good practice to update to generation 5 prior to my own evolver?
Hi, what about calling the evolve() scripts from your generation? That would be reasonable IMHO. Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - phone +49 345 122 9889 7 - fax +49 345 122 9889 1 - zope and plone consulting and development signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3.3.0 - Why is the minimum generation for 'zope.app' 1? What's a good practice to update to generation 5 prior to my own evolver?
On 11/3/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, what about calling the evolve() scripts from your generation? That would be reasonable IMHO. I'm trying to do that now. And now it seems that evolve3 (for zope.app) is failing because it wants to use the new Registrations system to do something to Pluggable Auth group folders...? But of course, the new registrations system won't work until evolve4! Blargh. I was hoping to run the zope.app registrations fairly properly through the schema manager, starting from the current until I got to the level I require... But it looks like I'll have to manually monkey with the order... :( I blame myself. I should have gotten more involved during the beta testing period for Zope 3.3, just to test it against our old databases... It's been a rough week. -- Jeff Shell ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3.3.0 - Why is the minimum generation for 'zope.app' 1? What's a good practice to update to generation 5 prior to my own evolver?
Jeff Shell wrote: On 11/3/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, what about calling the evolve() scripts from your generation? That would be reasonable IMHO. I'm trying to do that now. And now it seems that evolve3 (for zope.app) is failing because it wants to use the new Registrations system to do something to Pluggable Auth group folders...? But of course, the new registrations system won't work until evolve4! Blargh. I was hoping to run the zope.app registrations fairly properly through the schema manager, starting from the current until I got to the level I require... But it looks like I'll have to manually monkey with the order... Humm. I know that. I thought we evened that out during beta. Out of curiosity: did you try bumping the minimum version to 5 so all generations get run at once? -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - phone +49 345 122 9889 7 - fax +49 345 122 9889 1 - zope and plone consulting and development signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
