[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope3-dev] Freeze approaching quickly
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Richter wrote: with October winding down, the freeze on the trunk is coming quickly. So, if you have any outstanding work, now is the time to get it done. During the last week I have monitored the proposals and branches a bit and I think most people are done with their work. [...] Did I miss anyone? Now is the time to speak up! yes, I'd like to see the Better XML support for PT proposal as well : http://svn.zope.org/Zope3/branches/fdrake-anguenot_better_xml_support_for_pt/ http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/BetterXMLSupportForPageTemplates I'll take time to finish the remaining issues around this in the following days and we'll be able to discuss it after this. Is it ok for everybody ? Once the feature freeze is complete, I would like to keep the trunk frozen for about a month, so that the contribution bar for bug fixes remains as low as possible. And bugs we have plenty. As people start using Zope 3, we have had quiet a number of reports, some of which are really serious, like i18nextract being broken. Thus I propose two bug days: - Firday, November 4, 2005 - Friday, December 2, 2005 What do you guys think? Great. Would people commit time on those days to the effort? I will. J. - -- Julien Anguenot | Nuxeo RD (Paris, France) CPS Platform : http://www.cps-project.org Zope3 / ECM : http://www.z3lab.org mail: anguenot at nuxeo.com; tel: +33 (0) 6 72 57 57 66 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDYOUvGhoG8MxZ/pIRAmjtAJ9rsJnsBEwRUQUu2id5KhM+c0xAaQCfa/00 JFa1CKgLK5cDVm1gKN4pCEM= =xFqD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope3-dev] Freeze approaching quickly
On Thursday 27 October 2005 10:33, Julien Anguenot wrote: Is it ok for everybody ? Yep, since another core developer was involved in the proposal, this is fine. I assume Jim had something to say about this already too. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope3-dev] Freeze approaching quickly
Julien Anguenot wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Richter wrote: with October winding down, the freeze on the trunk is coming quickly. So, if you have any outstanding work, now is the time to get it done. During the last week I have monitored the proposals and branches a bit and I think most people are done with their work. [...] Did I miss anyone? Now is the time to speak up! yes, I'd like to see the Better XML support for PT proposal as well : http://svn.zope.org/Zope3/branches/fdrake-anguenot_better_xml_support_for_pt/ http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/BetterXMLSupportForPageTemplates I'll take time to finish the remaining issues around this in the following days and we'll be able to discuss it after this. Is it ok for everybody ? I think this is too risky for this release: 1. This change seems to be pretty controversial. There is a lot of fear that this will cause browser compatability problems. I think this fear can only be addressed by an alpha release and it's too late for that for the december Zope releases. 2. I get the impression from talking to Fred that there is still a lot of work required to land this and that a significant amount of his time would likely be required. I'm worrid that this could be a major source of instability and I think we have enough of those already. I suggest the following: - You keep working on your branch and get it to the point that it is *stable* and ready to merge. - Soon after the 3.2 release branch is made in early November, you merge your stable branch to the trunk and we'll make a 3.3 alpha release that people can use to try out this change. We'll let it be known that the change will be included in 3.3 unless people discover serious client-compatibility problems created by the change. You could use this release or the trunk for your xmlforms experiments. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope3-dev] Freeze approaching quickly
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: with October winding down, the freeze on the trunk is coming quickly. So, if you have any outstanding work, now is the time to get it done. During the last week I have monitored the proposals and branches a bit and I think most people are done with their work. [...] Did I miss anyone? Now is the time to speak up! yes, I'd like to see the Better XML support for PT proposal as well : http://svn.zope.org/Zope3/branches/fdrake-anguenot_better_xml_support_for_pt/ http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/BetterXMLSupportForPageTemplates I'll take time to finish the remaining issues around this in the following days and we'll be able to discuss it after this. Is it ok for everybody ? I think this is too risky for this release: 1. This change seems to be pretty controversial. There is a lot of fear that this will cause browser compatability problems. I think this fear can only be addressed by an alpha release and it's too late for that for the december Zope releases. We did think hard on browser issues (especially IE ones) avoiding to require the XML processing header for PT XML processing using a new 'IE problem aware' sniffer that detects a PT as an XML document with different approaches. I think, it was the only serious thread related to browser compatibility around this work. Behavior in the branch : - .xpt extension - XML processing (to avoid sniffing and thus be quicker) (this may be controversial as well) - xmlns declarations - XML processing (for IE) - XML processing header - XML processing (current trunk behavior) The more controversial point is the deprecation of HTML 4 as *input* for PT. xhtml will be required so that we can avoid all this HTML processing mess and especially all the iencoding ssues around. It will simplify the page template machinery big time and avoid costly internal operations at the same time. The compatibility will be kept for 2 major releases (as usual) As well, the *output* will be xhtml (at least) in every case after this changes. 2. I get the impression from talking to Fred that there is still a lot of work required to land this and that a significant amount of his time would likely be required. I'm worrid that this could be a major source of instability and I think we have enough of those already. We're having mostly encoding issues at this time 'cause of the HTML processing. I already started to address this problem o Fred, what is the status of the bytecode generation ? Is there more that only encoding problems left ? I suggest the following: - You keep working on your branch and get it to the point that it is *stable* and ready to merge. ok - Soon after the 3.2 release branch is made in early November, you merge your stable branch to the trunk and we'll make a 3.3 alpha release that people can use to try out this change. We'll let it be known that the change will be included in 3.3 unless people discover serious client-compatibility problems created by the change. You could use this release or the trunk for your xmlforms experiments. right. I'm fine with this. We will be more on the safe side :) J. - -- Julien Anguenot | Nuxeo RD (Paris, France) CPS Platform : http://www.cps-project.org Zope3 / ECM : http://www.z3lab.org mail: anguenot at nuxeo.com; tel: +33 (0) 6 72 57 57 66 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDYPHJGhoG8MxZ/pIRAjlJAJ9uwj5YDTuxhErfgwpf1SsDv04nigCeNs/J 11YknMwiS47Rcrwv8krdUiM= =4fn1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
