Re: [Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
On Tuesday 23 December 2008, Alek wrote: Anyway, still both the list traffic and wiki traffic seem to be much lower than eg. one year ago. btw, I got roughly 550 check-in E-mails in the last 3 weeks. Not too bad. I'm glad the development goes on, but publishing info about new releases of Known Good Sets would be nice - otherwise the 1sttimers (or people like me, who haven't worked with zope for some time) don't know about that \ I am working on it. :-) I planned to do some work during the holidays, but family obligations prohibitted me to do so. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter Web Software Design, Development and Training Google me. Zope Stephan Richter ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
Anyway, still both the list traffic and wiki traffic seem to be much lower than eg. one year ago. I'm glad the development goes on, but publishing info about new releases of Known Good Sets would be nice - otherwise the 1sttimers (or people like me, who haven't worked with zope for some time) don't know about that \ Warm Regards, Alek. 2008/12/22 Dan Korostelev nad...@gmail.com Oh, also note, that zope3 releases actually happen and the latest one (according to SVN) is 3.4.0c7 (released on sept 2008). But they are released in form of versions.cfg file for KGS (like http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/versions-3.4.0c7.cfg) instead of tarballs. I think this is the most important thing that should be mentioned on the website. Correct me if I am wrong. :) 2008/12/21 Alek the...@poczta.onet.pl: For some time, I have a bad, worrisome feeling that Zope3 development pace has slew down. Today looked to zope wiki and discovered that there are virtually no new articles. I've also found that last release is almost one year old and zope 3.4.0c0 is not even a real release, but a release candidate. Someone would say: hey, but maybe the development has just been decentralized? Zope 3.4 is the first eggified release, so maybe the development just moved to eggs (z3c.* and others). But I digged deeper and searched for some stats of Zope3-Users traffic, thanks to google. What I found I have published on a chart at http://pmiblog.blox.pl/2008/12/Is-Zope3-Dead.html. The traffic is at least half lower in 2008 than in 2007. Maybe the traffic moved somewhere else - to Wiki? This hypothesis haven't worked: I looked to zope 3 wiki and: the last new topic is 3 months old last month there is one edit of a topic After July 2008 there was not a one month with more than 5 edits. To summarize: It seems that zope3 development and engegement have been stalled for over half a year. Any thoughts? Have I missed some switch to other communication channels? Or maybe grok really took away all hearts and souls? What are the causes of the slowdown? Or maybe I just misinterpret the symptoms? Warm Regards, Alek ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users -- WBR, Dan Korostelev ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
On 23.12.2008 9:21 Uhr, Alek wrote: Anyway, still both the list traffic and wiki traffic seem to be much lower than eg. one year ago. I'm glad the development goes on, but publishing info about new releases of Known Good Sets would be nice - otherwise the 1sttimers (or people like me, who haven't worked with zope for some time) don't know about that \ Keep in mind that the Zope component became very mature over the last years and as Jim pointed out the goal of the Zope 3 project were reached. IN addition: the whole community has split up over the years into other projects like Grok (the Grok list is very active). -aj begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
Oh, also note, that zope3 releases actually happen and the latest one (according to SVN) is 3.4.0c7 (released on sept 2008). But they are released in form of versions.cfg file for KGS (like http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/versions-3.4.0c7.cfg) instead of tarballs. I think this is the most important thing that should be mentioned on the website. Correct me if I am wrong. :) 2008/12/21 Alek the...@poczta.onet.pl: For some time, I have a bad, worrisome feeling that Zope3 development pace has slew down. Today looked to zope wiki and discovered that there are virtually no new articles. I've also found that last release is almost one year old and zope 3.4.0c0 is not even a real release, but a release candidate. Someone would say: hey, but maybe the development has just been decentralized? Zope 3.4 is the first eggified release, so maybe the development just moved to eggs (z3c.* and others). But I digged deeper and searched for some stats of Zope3-Users traffic, thanks to google. What I found I have published on a chart at http://pmiblog.blox.pl/2008/12/Is-Zope3-Dead.html. The traffic is at least half lower in 2008 than in 2007. Maybe the traffic moved somewhere else - to Wiki? This hypothesis haven't worked: I looked to zope 3 wiki and: the last new topic is 3 months old last month there is one edit of a topic After July 2008 there was not a one month with more than 5 edits. To summarize: It seems that zope3 development and engegement have been stalled for over half a year. Any thoughts? Have I missed some switch to other communication channels? Or maybe grok really took away all hearts and souls? What are the causes of the slowdown? Or maybe I just misinterpret the symptoms? Warm Regards, Alek ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users -- WBR, Dan Korostelev ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
Replace Zope 3 with Zope component architecture or Zope web components. That's where we are: Zope 3 was always a set of components. Since some time every individual module has its own lifecycle and its own releases. Those components are widely use in various projects (Plone, Zope 2, Grok, Repozse, other Python projects). Don't expect any further Zope 3 release - expect that the individual components will ongoing improvements over time. The core components are very mature and the goal splitting Zope up into pieces is basically achived (according to Jim Fulton) -aj On 21.12.2008 19:18 Uhr, Alek wrote: For some time, I have a bad, worrisome feeling that Zope3 development pace has slew down. Today looked to zope wiki and discovered that there are virtually no new articles. I've also found that last release is almost one year old and zope 3.4.0c0 is not even a real release, but a release candidate. Someone would say: /hey, but maybe the development has just been decentralized? Zope 3.4 is the first eggified release, so maybe the development just moved to eggs (z3c.* and others)/. But I digged deeper and searched for some stats of Zope3-Users traffic, thanks to google. What I found I have published on a chart at http://pmiblog.blox.pl/2008/12/Is-Zope3-Dead.html. The traffic is at least half lower in 2008 than in 2007. Maybe the traffic moved somewhere else - to Wiki? This hypothesis haven't worked: I looked to zope 3 wiki and: * the last new topic is 3 months old * last month there is one edit of a topic * After July 2008 there was not a one month with more than 5 edits. To summarize: It seems that zope3 development and engegement have been stalled for over half a year. Any thoughts? Have I missed some switch to other communication channels? Or maybe grok really took away all hearts and souls? What are the causes of the slowdown? Or maybe I just misinterpret the symptoms? Warm Regards, Alek ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users -- ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG - Charlottenstr. 37/1 - 72070 Tübingen - Germany Web: www.zopyx.com - Email: i...@zopyx.com - Phone +49 - 7071 - 793376 Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, Handelsregister A 381535 Geschäftsführer/Gesellschafter: ZOPYX Limited, Birmingham, UK E-Publishing, Python, Zope Plone development, Consulting begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
No. Just the zope3 package is not released anymore. Now there's a bunch of eggs on PyPI, providing some functionality, like zope.component or zope.app.catalog. Some of core packages are mature enough, so there aren't much new releases of them, but other (like ZODB or z3c.form) are developed very actively. So Zope3 is alive and rocking :) There's certainly a problem with the website/documentation. IIRC, there was a project to redesign zope.org website to make it more friendly and informative, but people are quite busy so it looks stalled. Also, it would be great if people wrote more articles and updated current docs though, but it isn't the case currently. :-( 2008/12/21 Alek the...@poczta.onet.pl: For some time, I have a bad, worrisome feeling that Zope3 development pace has slew down. Today looked to zope wiki and discovered that there are virtually no new articles. I've also found that last release is almost one year old and zope 3.4.0c0 is not even a real release, but a release candidate. Someone would say: hey, but maybe the development has just been decentralized? Zope 3.4 is the first eggified release, so maybe the development just moved to eggs (z3c.* and others). But I digged deeper and searched for some stats of Zope3-Users traffic, thanks to google. What I found I have published on a chart at http://pmiblog.blox.pl/2008/12/Is-Zope3-Dead.html. The traffic is at least half lower in 2008 than in 2007. Maybe the traffic moved somewhere else - to Wiki? This hypothesis haven't worked: I looked to zope 3 wiki and: the last new topic is 3 months old last month there is one edit of a topic After July 2008 there was not a one month with more than 5 edits. To summarize: It seems that zope3 development and engegement have been stalled for over half a year. Any thoughts? Have I missed some switch to other communication channels? Or maybe grok really took away all hearts and souls? What are the causes of the slowdown? Or maybe I just misinterpret the symptoms? Warm Regards, Alek ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users -- WBR, Dan Korostelev ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
Seen this? http://plope.com/Members/chrism/le_roi_est_mort Zope 3 as an application server brand is dead. 2008/12/21 Alek the...@poczta.onet.pl: For some time, I have a bad, worrisome feeling that Zope3 development pace has slew down. Today looked to zope wiki and discovered that there are virtually no new articles. I've also found that last release is almost one year old and zope 3.4.0c0 is not even a real release, but a release candidate. Someone would say: hey, but maybe the development has just been decentralized? Zope 3.4 is the first eggified release, so maybe the development just moved to eggs (z3c.* and others). But I digged deeper and searched for some stats of Zope3-Users traffic, thanks to google. What I found I have published on a chart at http://pmiblog.blox.pl/2008/12/Is-Zope3-Dead.html. The traffic is at least half lower in 2008 than in 2007. Maybe the traffic moved somewhere else - to Wiki? This hypothesis haven't worked: I looked to zope 3 wiki and: the last new topic is 3 months old last month there is one edit of a topic After July 2008 there was not a one month with more than 5 edits. To summarize: It seems that zope3 development and engegement have been stalled for over half a year. Any thoughts? Have I missed some switch to other communication channels? Or maybe grok really took away all hearts and souls? What are the causes of the slowdown? Or maybe I just misinterpret the symptoms? Warm Regards, Alek ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users -- Peter Bengtsson, work www.fry-it.com home www.peterbe.com hobby www.issuetrackerproduct.com ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
