AW: [Zope3-Users] Re: Using svn checkout with zc packages
Hi Florian Betreff: [Zope3-Users] Re: Using svn checkout with zc packages Florian Lindner wrote: [...] Have you looked at zc.buildout? Checkout the tutorial [1]. Also, pretty much any zope.* or zc.* package's sandbox is set up using buildout these days, providing you with lots of examples. pretty much any is not allways enough ;-) Be aware of: Buildout is experimental and only supported for linux and mac users. And you could get a lot of work if you use 3-rd party dependencies and there are no eggs available. But if you like to have a let's see what we can fix today approach then eggs are fine today. I like the buildout concept since I worked with them last week, but it's not ready for production in general. At least not for me and some of my customers windows boxes ;-) Regards Roger Ineichen [1] http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/zc.buildout/trunk/doc/tutorial.txt -- http://worldcookery.com -- Professional Zope documentation and training ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
[Zope3-Users] Re: AW: Re: Using svn checkout with zc packages
Roger Ineichen wrote: Buildout is experimental and only supported for linux and mac users. Buildout may be beta, but I'd say it's far from being experimental. Also, it works quite nicely on Windows. The only problem you may have is that the stuff you want to install doesn't work on Windows (e.g. zdaemon) or there are no pre-built Windows eggs (yet). This isn't buildout's fault, though. And you could get a lot of work if you use 3-rd party dependencies and there are no eggs available. How is this a problem with Zope? Which 3rd party dependencies are specifically a problem? -- http://worldcookery.com -- Professional Zope documentation and training ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
AW: [Zope3-Users] Re: AW: Re: Using svn checkout with zc packages
Hi Philipp Betreff: [Zope3-Users] Re: AW: Re: Using svn checkout with zc packages Roger Ineichen wrote: Buildout is experimental and only supported for linux and mac users. Buildout may be beta, but I'd say it's far from being experimental. Also, it works quite nicely on Windows. The only problem you may have is that the stuff you want to install doesn't work on Windows (e.g. zdaemon) or there are no pre-built Windows eggs (yet). This isn't buildout's fault, though. I know, buildout is using zdaemon and we just need to write another daemon like script. But this is tricky because the app and the instance provide it's own settings e.g. the app knows the eggs and the instance knows the zope.conf. This means the app must generate a script with a argument for the zope.conf and the instance must generate a script which calls the app script with the zope.conf. With a dameon this is a good pattern, for windows it's not. The best way for generate a start script whould be if the instance whould know the eggs of the app. This would allow us to generate one script instead of using a subprocess or call the script witha batch script. Also, there must be a option to install zope3 as a production server using the windows service. But I think installing the windows service as a replacment for the zdeamon isn't a option for development. etc. etc. btw, I agree buildout isn't experimental it's a good concept but it's just not working on windows. I'm really very angry about the missing windows support. It's a kind of saying to a child, hehe you don't have the newest playstation, then it's your problem and we don't play with you. I don't like this kind of things and this should not happen in a community. I'm not saying that somebody has to write the windows support for me, I will do that if I find some time. But please be fair and promote buildout like it is and tell the people that it's only usable for mac and linux and we a re not interested to support windows right now. And you could get a lot of work if you use 3-rd party dependencies and there are no eggs available. How is this a problem with Zope? Which 3rd party dependencies are specifically a problem? Not default 3rd party dependencies. Just packages we installed with binary installers make problems during compilation. e.g. - lxml - pysqlite I think there will be no other way then to support this developers and help them to make them compileable on a windows box. But this could be dam hard. Or we ask this developers to build eggs which will use a binary installer on a windows box. Hmm, is there somewhere a *.msi or *.exe executer recipe? But what I really hate in the egg concept is, that this will end in supporting many projects because not every developer is happy to build windows eggs. Note, build them on a well defined box is not the same like download eggs and build them on a crapy win box with mingw (gcc) and msys installed. Just beeing fair, I think the good part with eggs will be, that all the pyhton packages out there will get cleand up sooner or later. Regards Roger Ineichen -- http://worldcookery.com -- Professional Zope documentation and training ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
[Zope3-Users] Re: Using svn checkout with zc packages
Florian Lindner wrote: Hello, I use a Zope3 svn checkout for developement. What is the best way to make this working with the zc packages? I don't want to easy_install the entire Zope checkout but I also want my code to work with easy_install'ed versions of these packages. (don't want to change import statements and so on...) My favorite way would be to just do a svn checkout of the zc packages too but it seems to me that it won't work this way (or am I missing something?) Of course you can get a checkout of any package you wish from svn.zope.org, including the zc.* packages. However, they'll likely have dependencies which you will have to resolve as well. Some might also define entry points which means they really want to be installed as eggs. Why do you use checkouts? Do you actually change the packages while you're developing with them? Have you looked at zc.buildout? Checkout the tutorial [1]. Also, pretty much any zope.* or zc.* package's sandbox is set up using buildout these days, providing you with lots of examples. [1] http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/zc.buildout/trunk/doc/tutorial.txt -- http://worldcookery.com -- Professional Zope documentation and training ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
[Zope3-Users] Using svn checkout with zc packages
Hello, I use a Zope3 svn checkout for developement. What is the best way to make this working with the zc packages? I don't want to easy_install the entire Zope checkout but I also want my code to work with easy_install'ed versions of these packages. (don't want to change import statements and so on...) My favorite way would be to just do a svn checkout of the zc packages too but it seems to me that it won't work this way (or am I missing something?) Thanks, Florian ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
