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On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Jenny Cigarettes wrote: Prior to making Go, didn't he play guitar for a while with (not very good) punk band Flipper? Ultra Vivid Scene too, if memory serves... don't know about punk band, but go was released on his debut ep, mobility' circa 88/89, and the famous mixes of go with twin peaks samples were released 1991. afaik he had other similar dance/techno/electronic/etc -related tracks released between those two. sakke -- A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. -- Stanislaw Lem
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punk band Flipper? Ultra Vivid Scene too, if memory serves... UVS ? that would be very interesting - but I thought they were British ? Gwendal
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Hello, this is way ot, but yeah he was in flipper. I seriously doubt he was working with Ed Ralske in UVS. I do not think that UVS was a british band. Ed is doing microsound these days and running a lable called Mau Mau International. I believe that he is based in the mid-west these days. geez, my indie roots are showing... take care, Mike From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jenny Cigarettes' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'DETROIT' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] is moby still Techno Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:30:22 +0100 punk band Flipper? Ultra Vivid Scene too, if memory serves... UVS ? that would be very interesting - but I thought they were British ? Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Hello, BVL politely reminded me that the guy from UVS/Mau-mau International is _kurt_ ralske. geez, its like 1991 was ten years ago or something. mt From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] is moby still Techno Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:18:53 -0500 Hello, this is way ot, but yeah he was in flipper. I seriously doubt he was working with Ed Ralske in UVS. I do not think that UVS was a british band. Ed is doing microsound these days and running a lable called Mau Mau International. I believe that he is based in the mid-west these days. geez, my indie roots are showing... take care, Mike From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jenny Cigarettes' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'DETROIT' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] is moby still Techno Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:30:22 +0100 punk band Flipper? Ultra Vivid Scene too, if memory serves... UVS ? that would be very interesting - but I thought they were British ? Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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This is funny because when I interviewed him he denied being a memeber of Flipper. He said he was just filling in while someone was doing their time in jail (sorry, I don't know the name of the guy). Moby told me that this is another thing that people have read in the press that is misconstrued. This was basically how the entire interview went... he was very evasive. It was the worst 30 minutes I've ever had to spend with someone. But that's beside the point. MEK From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] is moby still Techno Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:18:53 -0500 Hello, this is way ot, but yeah he was in flipper. I seriously doubt he was working with Ed Ralske in UVS. I do not think that UVS was a british band. Ed is doing microsound these days and running a lable called Mau Mau International. I believe that he is based in the mid-west these days. geez, my indie roots are showing... take care, Mike From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jenny Cigarettes' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'DETROIT' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] is moby still Techno Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:30:22 +0100 punk band Flipper? Ultra Vivid Scene too, if memory serves... UVS ? that would be very interesting - but I thought they were British ? Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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The only problem I might say I have with Moby,and not that I really lose any sleep over it, but since its come up, is that he has released some solid techno tunes in the past. His stuff as Voodoo child was wicked at the time, but I remember reading an interview with him where he stated he hated techno and was going back to his punk roots. Now whether or not he has since returned to the bare fringes of the techno genre because his punk stuff didn't sell, despite slagging it off, is another debate that, I guess, only he could really answer. If he did, well yeah, he's a sell out. But if not, well fair play to him, his music is making money, hes an NME pin up, I just doubt that anyone who used to be into him gives a toss about it. - Original Message - From: M Elliot-Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: RE: [313] is moby still Techno This is funny because when I interviewed him he denied being a memeber of Flipper. He said he was just filling in while someone was doing their time in jail (sorry, I don't know the name of the guy). Moby told me that this is another thing that people have read in the press that is misconstrued. This was basically how the entire interview went... he was very evasive. It was the worst 30 minutes I've ever had to spend with someone. But that's beside the point. MEK From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] is moby still Techno Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:18:53 -0500 Hello, this is way ot, but yeah he was in flipper. I seriously doubt he was working with Ed Ralske in UVS. I do not think that UVS was a british band. Ed is doing microsound these days and running a lable called Mau Mau International. I believe that he is based in the mid-west these days. geez, my indie roots are showing... take care, Mike From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jenny Cigarettes' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'DETROIT' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] is moby still Techno Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:30:22 +0100 punk band Flipper? Ultra Vivid Scene too, if memory serves... UVS ? that would be very interesting - but I thought they were British ? Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wow, Voodoo Child was Moby? I had no idea... what a list!!! I'm always learning something new. :) Ok, that brings forth this question... I have a Voodoo Child vinyl (circa 1991 I think) titled Voodoo Child Remixes on Instinct (cat. no. EX-232)... the label says Written, produced, arranged by Richard M. Hall. Is this Moby's actual name, another alias, or another individual altogether? Just wondering for the sake of historical accuracy. Thanks. And in case anyone decides to ask, no I will not sell it! Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.magicmattkelly.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:40:25 - To: 313@hyperreal.org From: Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] is moby still Techno The only problem I might say I have with Moby,and not that I really lose any sleep over it, but since its come up, is that he has released some solid techno tunes in the past. His stuff as Voodoo child was wicked at the time, but I remember reading an interview with him where he stated he hated techno and was going back to his punk roots. Now whether or not he has since returned to the bare fringes of the techno genre because his punk stuff didn't sell, despite slagging it off, is another debate that, I guess, only he could really answer. If he did, well yeah, he's a sell out. But if not, well fair play to him, his music is making money, hes an NME pin up, I just doubt that anyone who used to be into him gives a toss about it.
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Matthew L. Thompson wrote: Instinct (cat. no. EX-232)... the label says Written, produced, arranged by Richard M. Hall. Is this Moby's actual name, another alias, or another individual altogether? afaik that is his real name. correct me if i'm wrong. sakke -- A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. -- Stanislaw Lem
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punk band Flipper? Ultra Vivid Scene too, if memory serves... UVS ? that would be very interesting - but I thought they were British ? Gwendal Ran a google search, and this would suggest that he did: quote Q: You were in a hardcore band a few years ago, weren't you? MOBY: A band called the Vatican Commando's. I've been involved with so many weird things... I sang with Flipper for a few days, I played with Ultra Vivid Scene for a while... /quote From: http://www.spoil.org/issue5/moby/moby_c1.html
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uh oh. i see a 'sold out' term debate on the horizon. will all respect, the intentions and classifications of moby might be better suited for another list. mornin d --- DJ HEAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep seeing Moby everywere TV, AWARD SHOWS, lite radio stations like the river. do you still consider him part of the underground click or has he sold out? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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the simple answer is that moby is outside this sphere - he seems to have more in common with britney spears. his music has been watered down by its overuse in what seems like every bloody car ad on tv. his music has instant appeal across the board, ie for the masses, as it's, imo, inoffensive and bland. this is the man who turned his back on electronic music (with his album animal rights), saying it was dead, but quickly changed his tune when his album failed to shift. silly bugger. From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DETROIT 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] is moby still Techno Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:16:30 -0600 This is certainly a question for the 313 FAQ. DJ HEAT wrote: I keep seeing Moby everywere TV, AWARD SHOWS, lite radio stations like the river. do you still consider him part of the underground click or has he sold out? -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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Go was possibly the only 'techno' track he has ever done. Even that was poor, and reeked of kiddie coin. Moby has nothing to do with techno as far as I'm aware, and never has done. George http://www.dropshift.com/ - Original Message - From: beautiful individual [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [313] is moby still Techno the simple answer is that moby is outside this sphere - he seems to have more in common with britney spears. his music has been watered down by its overuse in what seems like every bloody car ad on tv. his music has instant appeal across the board, ie for the masses, as it's, imo, inoffensive and bland. this is the man who turned his back on electronic music (with his album animal rights), saying it was dead, but quickly changed his tune when his album failed to shift. silly bugger. From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DETROIT 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] is moby still Techno Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:16:30 -0600 This is certainly a question for the 313 FAQ. DJ HEAT wrote: I keep seeing Moby everywere TV, AWARD SHOWS, lite radio stations like the river. do you still consider him part of the underground click or has he sold out? -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: George Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: beautiful individual [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [313] is moby still Techno Go was possibly the only 'techno' track he has ever done. Even that was poor, and reeked of kiddie coin. Moby has nothing to do with techno as far as I'm aware, and never has done. I'd have to beg to differ. He had everything to do with techno as it was then defined from about '92-'94 (if you don't agree it was good, that doesn't mean it didn't fit with the definition of the term at that time). It may not have been Detroit techno in the purist sense, but it was techno. It wasn't until Move (I think it was called) that he started to incorporate live instruments and turn his back on the techno community. That's when he started to live out his long-time dream of being in a punk band, but trying to do it himself with electronics. At that point, I don't think you could really fault his shift in direction even though I can't really listen to most of that stuff anymore. Next is the E is another example of a Moby techno song, along with the rest of that EP. Hell, I still listen to his Ambient album, which is oddly misnamed (even as that term was being losely thrown around back then). Some of it sounds like a weird cross between Plastikman and Model 500. It has a similar feel to Deep Space IMO, altough nowhere near the complexity, depth or importance to the future of techno. That's his best work by far IMO. I think to give the man a fair criticism, you need to give him his due for what he once was to techno. He was no Messiah to the techno world, but he was a relatively important figure. IMO, that makes his moves over the last 5-6 years that much more unappealing than if he was irrelevant the whole time. Let's try not to turn this into Moby flame vol. VI. Please? Tristan -- Lots of music, pics and info here: http://www.mp3.com/stations/313 http://www.mp3.com/Frogbot http://phonopsia.tripod.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] FrogboyMCI on AOL IM _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Go was possibly the only 'techno' track he has ever done. Even that was poor You might give his 'Early Works' CD a listen. I'm no big moby fan but there are some other cuts on that CD besides 'GO' that are pretty good. Didn't Kevin Sauderson used to drop a 'GO' remix in his set back in the day? dave
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, George Todd wrote: Go was possibly the only 'techno' track he has ever done. Even that was poor, and reeked of kiddie coin. Moby has nothing to do with techno as far as I'm aware, and never has done. whatabout U.H.F ? excellent stuff, although, maybe not Detroit, but good track. and mobility? or original go, dating '88/'89? (no twin peaks samples used) or Voodoo Child? (excellent clubby acidy stuff) sakke -- A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. -- Stanislaw Lem
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Theres much more to Moby than Go or that song from The Beach. I think his past work earns him respect for thier place and impact on electronic music. I dont know why people are so up in arms over Moby's success with electronic music. Its the same old I want my favorite musicians to remain unknown and poor because once people less cool than *me* start liking them I'll be obliged to hate them debate we have here periodically. One thing about Moby; he is the most recognizable electronic artist in the world. My 4 year old son, Trevor, can spot him a mile away on any show. He spotted him on MTV Cribs, the Grammy's, mulitple videos on MTV and VH1, and just the other day he spotted him on the Andy Dick Show. It so funny because he'll shot out daddy, theres Moby again! Also, when I first got the Play album, he'd always ask me can we listen to Moby? as I drove him to and from daycare everyday. Trevor just has electronic music in his blood, and Moby is a part of his musical universe. So in that sense Moby is Trevors Britney Spears and I dont mean that in a negative way. sean deason -Original Message- From: George Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 8:56 AM To: beautiful individual; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] is moby still Techno Go was possibly the only 'techno' track he has ever done. Even that was poor, and reeked of kiddie coin. Moby has nothing to do with techno as far as I'm aware, and never has done. George http://www.dropshift.com/ - Original Message - From: beautiful individual [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [313] is moby still Techno the simple answer is that moby is outside this sphere - he seems to have more in common with britney spears. his music has been watered down by its overuse in what seems like every bloody car ad on tv. his music has instant appeal across the board, ie for the masses, as it's, imo, inoffensive and bland. this is the man who turned his back on electronic music (with his album animal rights), saying it was dead, but quickly changed his tune when his album failed to shift. silly bugger. From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DETROIT 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] is moby still Techno Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:16:30 -0600 This is certainly a question for the 313 FAQ. DJ HEAT wrote: I keep seeing Moby everywere TV, AWARD SHOWS, lite radio stations like the river. do you still consider him part of the underground click or has he sold out? -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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DJ HEAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] once wrote, I keep seeing Moby everywere TV, AWARD SHOWS, lite radio stations like the river. do you still consider him part of the underground click or has he sold out? Underground? Surely not. But I won't chastise him for attaining popularity. But did he stay techno? I mean, I listened to his latest, Play, and some of his work afterwards. And he veers away from techno more and more. I mean, Southside, with that girl from No Doubt. Argh, what absolute horrendous music to torture my fragile ears with. Play had some gems (Porcelain comes to mind), but as a whole, it sounded like Moby wanted to hit the mainstream so much that he shunned his techno roots. Yes, it sounds commercial, and yes, by sounding commercial, he sounds less electronic. Never mind his punk rock album he made, I just think Moby is moving away slowly from what built him up. Frank Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let them hate me, provided they fear me - Atreus --- Trinity on Dumpshock, Saffron on Sorcery
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--- Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theres Hi all, much more to Moby than Go or that song from The Beach. I think his past work earns him respect for thier place and impact on electronic music. I dont know why people are so up in arms over Moby's success with electronic music. Its the same old I want my favorite musicians to remain unknown and poor because once people less cool than *me* start liking them I'll be obliged to hate them debate we have here periodically. This is the issue with the Richie Hawtin @ Gatecrasher thing. It seems kind of hypocritical to criticise the mainstream for being too sterile, yet as soon as they take an interest in our music, we're up in arms. I think a lot of people think of our music as if it is our child so to speak. We diss them nasty, good-for-nothing kids outside for their behaviour and don't want our kid playing with them (I know it sounds kinda stupid but...). The only way to resolve this issue IMO is for the mainstream to change so that the music industry isn't a world of superstars and underground music and stuff. People need to be allowed to like what they like, not what is said to be cool. We might give the other kids a chance if they were willing to change. Places like Gatecrasher need to stop bringing in dj's that they know will sell and bring some real music in. Not just techno either the whole system is wrong at the moment. Just thinking, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 09:16:47AM -0500, Phonopsia wrote: Messiah to the techno world There's a question for the FAQ! Who loves you and who do you love?!?!? -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
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why? i don't think it was ever their intent to be 'musically superior' to anybody else. they want to throw big, fun parties, and they probably do. i think that if people have fun, then it's a good club. not my type of club, but that's why i don't go. Mike From: Nick Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] The issue (was RE: [313] is moby still Techno) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:59:29 -0800 (PST) --- Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theres Hi all, much more to Moby than Go or that song from The Beach. I think his past work earns him respect for thier place and impact on electronic music. I dont know why people are so up in arms over Moby's success with electronic music. Its the same old I want my favorite musicians to remain unknown and poor because once people less cool than *me* start liking them I'll be obliged to hate them debate we have here periodically. This is the issue with the Richie Hawtin @ Gatecrasher thing. It seems kind of hypocritical to criticise the mainstream for being too sterile, yet as soon as they take an interest in our music, we're up in arms. I think a lot of people think of our music as if it is our child so to speak. We diss them nasty, good-for-nothing kids outside for their behaviour and don't want our kid playing with them (I know it sounds kinda stupid but...). The only way to resolve this issue IMO is for the mainstream to change so that the music industry isn't a world of superstars and underground music and stuff. People need to be allowed to like what they like, not what is said to be cool. We might give the other kids a chance if they were willing to change. Places like Gatecrasher need to stop bringing in dj's that they know will sell and bring some real music in. Not just techno either the whole system is wrong at the moment. Just thinking, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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this guy is no image-maker. i mean he's a skinny bald white guy with a quiet demeanor. Uh, isn't that an image right there? It's hard now not to recognize his mug. He's been on the cover of every major music magazine, in tv commercials, giant clothing adverts, not to mention MTV rotation. He is an image maker. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. he still is pushing electronic music to greater levels. A better thing to figure out is whether he is opening doors for others and/or inspiring others to create music. Some of his music is beautiful but I feel it's rather simple... there aren't any big surprises in it. It's very baroque in it's attitude. It's catchy and pop tinged and if that's what he wants to do then so be it. Pop tunes can be useful and meaningful to some. It's not something I would purchase because I find that after two or three listens I've discovered everything there is about the tune. Some people might still consider him techno... he certainly doesn't (he's told me this personally). I'm actually really tired of figuring out whether someone is techno or not... call it what you will. Or as D.May titled it: It is what it is. MEK From: Samuel Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] is moby still techno Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:15:48 -0800 (PST) well i just thought it my 313 duty to add my two cents in... i agree that moby may not be techno, but IMHO he still is pushing electronic music to greater levels. this guy is no image-maker. i mean he's a skinny bald white guy with a quiet demeanor. i feel that he although he may be existing in the commercial world at this moment he doesn't represent it. i feel he is in the underground of pop culture and i think that is an excellent place for an artist to be. just my thoughts -sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
