Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
All my internet is public cause I’m tryin to get globally famous. Tell your friends. I don’t need to talk to you about rape culture, bro. I need to be able to talk about music in a safe environment, which this ain’t. I’m thankful for social networks. Read on. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:26 PM Mario De Block wrote: > the moment you blocked me, was after I confronted you with having crossed > a line with you openly suggesting we'd be supporting rape culture here. > This, to me, is an example of an unhealthy proposition. > > You blocked me, instead of getting into a worthy, adultered discussion, to > clear out on things. I wrote you back, later on, to try and clarify I'm not > into rape culture, in any slightest sense. Not any atom in my body would > think about raping anyone. > Still, this did not change your attitude. > > Why explicitly supposing we'd support rape culture? > > Your public Twitter rants of late (all dated June 25th for some reason) > state this 313 list is much too full of racists and sexists. > > That's another form of projecting - beyond boundaries, again. > > > Mario > -- > *Van:* Denise Dalphond > *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:17 > *Aan:* Mario De Block > *CC:* Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> > *Onderwerp:* Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about > > Not after I’ve been called names and silenced over and over again. If I > had to block you, then you have problems. Mario, I’m writing this from my > spam folder as I blocked you a long time ago, as well. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:14 PM Mario De Block > wrote: > > Kent proposed that, indeed. > Later on, you wrote: Take me off the list. > > Being able to be compassionate still requires some form of equivalency in > communication, in leaving equal space for anyone involved. It requires > being able to be vulnerable, too, and showing this, as to be honest if and > where sensitive spots are touched. It requires everyone involved to want to > bridge eventual differences in any relevant sense, with no structural > haughtiness -nor fixed minority complex- from anyone's side, as this would > complicate a healthy exchange. It requires well-conscious and > self-conscious communication between people. > > > My writing aimed at anyone interested and open to it, regardless of > gender. > > Mario > > > -------------- > *Van:* Denise Dalphond > *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:01 > *Aan:* Kevin Kennedy > *CC:* list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> > *Onderwerp:* Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about > > Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to > happen. > > I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations. > > I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how > to speak. > > -- > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > ethnomusicologist > schoolcraftwax.work > > -- > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > ethnomusicologist > schoolcraftwax.work > -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work
Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
the moment you blocked me, was after I confronted you with having crossed a line with you openly suggesting we'd be supporting rape culture here. This, to me, is an example of an unhealthy proposition. You blocked me, instead of getting into a worthy, adultered discussion, to clear out on things. I wrote you back, later on, to try and clarify I'm not into rape culture, in any slightest sense. Not any atom in my body would think about raping anyone. Still, this did not change your attitude. Why explicitly supposing we'd support rape culture? Your public Twitter rants of late (all dated June 25th for some reason) state this 313 list is much too full of racists and sexists. That's another form of projecting - beyond boundaries, again. Mario Van: Denise Dalphond Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:17 Aan: Mario De Block CC: Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about Not after I’ve been called names and silenced over and over again. If I had to block you, then you have problems. Mario, I’m writing this from my spam folder as I blocked you a long time ago, as well. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:14 PM Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Kent proposed that, indeed. Later on, you wrote: Take me off the list. Being able to be compassionate still requires some form of equivalency in communication, in leaving equal space for anyone involved. It requires being able to be vulnerable, too, and showing this, as to be honest if and where sensitive spots are touched. It requires everyone involved to want to bridge eventual differences in any relevant sense, with no structural haughtiness -nor fixed minority complex- from anyone's side, as this would complicate a healthy exchange. It requires well-conscious and self-conscious communication between people. My writing aimed at anyone interested and open to it, regardless of gender. Mario Van: Denise Dalphond Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:01 Aan: Kevin Kennedy CC: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to happen. I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations. I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how to speak. -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work<http://schoolcraftwax.work>
Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
Not after I’ve been called names and silenced over and over again. If I had to block you, then you have problems. Mario, I’m writing this from my spam folder as I blocked you a long time ago, as well. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:14 PM Mario De Block wrote: > Kent proposed that, indeed. > Later on, you wrote: Take me off the list. > > Being able to be compassionate still requires some form of equivalency in > communication, in leaving equal space for anyone involved. It requires > being able to be vulnerable, too, and showing this, as to be honest if and > where sensitive spots are touched. It requires everyone involved to want to > bridge eventual differences in any relevant sense, with no structural > haughtiness -nor fixed minority complex- from anyone's side, as this would > complicate a healthy exchange. It requires well-conscious and > self-conscious communication between people. > > > My writing aimed at anyone interested and open to it, regardless of > gender. > > Mario > > > -- > *Van:* Denise Dalphond > *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:01 > *Aan:* Kevin Kennedy > *CC:* list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> > *Onderwerp:* Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about > > Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to > happen. > > I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations. > > I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how > to speak. > -- > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > ethnomusicologist > schoolcraftwax.work > -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work
Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
Kent proposed that, indeed. Later on, you wrote: Take me off the list. Being able to be compassionate still requires some form of equivalency in communication, in leaving equal space for anyone involved. It requires being able to be vulnerable, too, and showing this, as to be honest if and where sensitive spots are touched. It requires everyone involved to want to bridge eventual differences in any relevant sense, with no structural haughtiness -nor fixed minority complex- from anyone's side, as this would complicate a healthy exchange. It requires well-conscious and self-conscious communication between people. My writing aimed at anyone interested and open to it, regardless of gender. Mario Van: Denise Dalphond Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:01 Aan: Kevin Kennedy CC: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to happen. I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations. I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how to speak. -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work<http://schoolcraftwax.work>
Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to happen. I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations. I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how to speak. -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work
Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
and, as I was gently suggested by a constructive member: I mean he/she/they before, when I (honestly) tried to include people non-exclusively male or female, with an X mark (being used in some languages and concepts, still, but I take suggestions well in that matter). M. Van: Mario De Block Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 1:36 Aan: Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about sure, "Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!" Did that, and enjoyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rBIBy7ytyM. But doing all this by ourselves doesn't speak volumes on the forum as such, . That's where communication starts. As I wrote just before. Starting with good intentions, with responsability, with a tiny bit of consciousness on what you write and what one will read. And correcting oneself if gaps or worse arise between members. I simply, but conscientiously wrote what I did, inviting whatever person of whatever gender or X person to stop aiming below someone else's belt - which is a prime sexist trade, to me, in whatever direction- and to stop such crap. That simple call for simple and correct interpersonal behaviour again was received in total misunderstanding. Not any haughty, unjust projection should have any place here. It's the essence of maintaining a forum in correct spirit. And if someone openly communicates a request to be unsubbed, his or her wish should be fulfilled, if the already guided link to do so autonomously should not work for itself. We're here for the music, mainly, not for projecting whatever that's unjust and incorrect, and leaving others trying to cope with the distortions coming with that. One may have a bad day, or two, but not work it our interpersonally here (or wherever). M. Van: Kevin Kennedy Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 1:05 Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about Joe: You're not helping. Not at all. Please keep your sideshow baiting antics elsewhere before this turns into a roast-of you. I will bring up the Detroit tradition of 'snapping' on you if necessary. You've hung out with some of the Detroit family...you CAN get roasted, salted and shook...then sold by the bag for peanuts. Denise: This may be fun to you to antagonize others today-but I'd absolutely love to see better from someone who is a respected academic. One of the many themes of Detroit Techno is escapism, maybe we should all consider escaping from arguing about politics and who said what and semantics. At the end, all our coffins will be the same size (or our urn a similar amount of ashes). Second, y'all mfers name-calling and picking fights aren't sh!t. Be an adult please...and miss me all the way with the 'well she started it' BS. Sometimes it's better to sit on your hands until they're numb than type out hot garbage that will be a permanent record. Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something! Because in my opinion, the above is extremely counterproductive. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:50 PM Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote: oh boy/girl/X (and I write X as to write inclusively here - at no specific person in that sense, if present) Denise. Stop centering yourself endlessly. I conscientiously wrote whatever gender has whatever under the belt. You yourself ranted at whoever being shaped to small for you. Look what you wrote a few hours ago. Look what you write. I don't take that. Return to sender. M. Van: Denise Dalphond mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>> Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 0:45 Aan: Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> CC: Daniel Bean mailto:danbean@gmail.com>>; Joe Marougi mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>>; Rob Taylor mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>>; The Archiver mailto:thearchi...@thearchiver.net>>; U Design mailto:uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com>>; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org>> Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about Why is anyone on this list concerned with my genitals? I don’t understand. You’ll never get close to them. Maybe you wanna go talk to a therapist. When someone tells you they’re female and you still say he or X, it makes me think you’re stupid. Oftentimes, people that act homophobic and sexist, also act racist. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote: anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum - Kent proposals did well for that? But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? Regardless of what he/she/X
Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
sure, "Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!" Did that, and enjoyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rBIBy7ytyM. But doing all this by ourselves doesn't speak volumes on the forum as such, . That's where communication starts. As I wrote just before. Starting with good intentions, with responsability, with a tiny bit of consciousness on what you write and what one will read. And correcting oneself if gaps or worse arise between members. I simply, but conscientiously wrote what I did, inviting whatever person of whatever gender or X person to stop aiming below someone else's belt - which is a prime sexist trade, to me, in whatever direction- and to stop such crap. That simple call for simple and correct interpersonal behaviour again was received in total misunderstanding. Not any haughty, unjust projection should have any place here. It's the essence of maintaining a forum in correct spirit. And if someone openly communicates a request to be unsubbed, his or her wish should be fulfilled, if the already guided link to do so autonomously should not work for itself. We're here for the music, mainly, not for projecting whatever that's unjust and incorrect, and leaving others trying to cope with the distortions coming with that. One may have a bad day, or two, but not work it our interpersonally here (or wherever). M. Van: Kevin Kennedy Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 1:05 Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about Joe: You're not helping. Not at all. Please keep your sideshow baiting antics elsewhere before this turns into a roast-of you. I will bring up the Detroit tradition of 'snapping' on you if necessary. You've hung out with some of the Detroit family...you CAN get roasted, salted and shook...then sold by the bag for peanuts. Denise: This may be fun to you to antagonize others today-but I'd absolutely love to see better from someone who is a respected academic. One of the many themes of Detroit Techno is escapism, maybe we should all consider escaping from arguing about politics and who said what and semantics. At the end, all our coffins will be the same size (or our urn a similar amount of ashes). Second, y'all mfers name-calling and picking fights aren't sh!t. Be an adult please...and miss me all the way with the 'well she started it' BS. Sometimes it's better to sit on your hands until they're numb than type out hot garbage that will be a permanent record. Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something! Because in my opinion, the above is extremely counterproductive. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:50 PM Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote: oh boy/girl/X (and I write X as to write inclusively here - at no specific person in that sense, if present) Denise. Stop centering yourself endlessly. I conscientiously wrote whatever gender has whatever under the belt. You yourself ranted at whoever being shaped to small for you. Look what you wrote a few hours ago. Look what you write. I don't take that. Return to sender. M. Van: Denise Dalphond mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>> Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 0:45 Aan: Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> CC: Daniel Bean mailto:danbean@gmail.com>>; Joe Marougi mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>>; Rob Taylor mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>>; The Archiver mailto:thearchi...@thearchiver.net>>; U Design mailto:uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com>>; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org>> Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about Why is anyone on this list concerned with my genitals? I don’t understand. You’ll never get close to them. Maybe you wanna go talk to a therapist. When someone tells you they’re female and you still say he or X, it makes me think you’re stupid. Oftentimes, people that act homophobic and sexist, also act racist. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote: anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum - Kent proposals did well for that? But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? Regardless of what he/she/X has under the belt, and the size of it. A forum requires some form of connection (which D techno/house music is in itself), but to me, it also requires some engagement in wanting to preserve at least some essential spirit of that connection. A web forum requires digital communication, which just requires at least a minimal bit of estimation of how one's communication will or could be read or understood - and bridging miscommunication gaps, if happening, is as
Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
Joe: You're not helping. Not at all. Please keep your sideshow baiting antics elsewhere before this turns into a roast-of you. I will bring up the Detroit tradition of 'snapping' on you if necessary. You've hung out with some of the Detroit family...you CAN get roasted, salted and shook...then sold by the bag for peanuts. Denise: This may be fun to you to antagonize others today-but I'd absolutely love to see better from someone who is a respected academic. One of the many themes of Detroit Techno is escapism, maybe we should all consider escaping from arguing about politics and who said what and semantics. At the end, all our coffins will be the same size (or our urn a similar amount of ashes). Second, y'all mfers name-calling and picking fights aren't sh!t. Be an adult please...and miss me all the way with the 'well she started it' BS. Sometimes it's better to sit on your hands until they're numb than type out hot garbage that will be a permanent record. Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something! Because in my opinion, the above is extremely counterproductive. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:50 PM Mario De Block wrote: > > > oh boy/girl/X (and I write X as to write inclusively here - at no specific > person in that sense, if present) > > Denise. Stop centering yourself endlessly. I conscientiously wrote > whatever gender has whatever under the belt. You yourself ranted at whoever > being shaped to small for you. > > Look what you wrote a few hours ago. Look what you write. I don't take > that. Return to sender. > > M. > -- > *Van:* Denise Dalphond > *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 0:45 > *Aan:* Mario De Block > *CC:* Daniel Bean ; Joe Marougi ; > Rob Taylor ; The Archiver < > thearchi...@thearchiver.net>; U Design ; > list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> > *Onderwerp:* Re: What this list is and isn't about > > Why is anyone on this list concerned with my genitals? I don’t understand. > You’ll never get close to them. Maybe you wanna go talk to a therapist. > > When someone tells you they’re female and you still say he or X, it makes > me think you’re stupid. > > Oftentimes, people that act homophobic and sexist, also act racist. > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mario De Block > wrote: > > anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum > - Kent proposals did well for that? > But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? > Regardless of what he/she/X has under the belt, and the size of it. > A forum requires some form of connection (which D techno/house music is in > itself), but to me, it also requires some engagement in wanting to preserve > at least some essential spirit of that connection. A web forum requires > digital communication, which just requires at least a minimal bit of > estimation of how one's communication will or could be read or understood - > and bridging miscommunication gaps, if happening, is as essential. > > > (ps, I don't think Joe compared BLM to KKK, he connected BHI to them, and > this requires nuance too). > > € 0.02 > > Mario > > > -- FBK Absoloop/Orange 82
