Re: [offish]Volume of mail

2017-10-05 Thread Roger Reed – Illus House via 4D_Tech
I was shocked to see how few attendees there were at the Tour stop in New Jersey a couple years ago. My impression is that the developer- and user-base is way too small, considering how good 4D is. But considering the endless learning curve, and obsolescence of earlier databases, I shouldn’t

Re: [offish]Volume of mail

2017-10-05 Thread Richard Wright via 4D_Tech
Perhaps it’s partially due to the fact that some post mysteriously never get through and also do not bounce back. I’m having that problem right now with another message I’ve tried posting twice and am waiting to hear back from the list boss. In between, I posted a “test” message which went

Re: [offish]Volume of mail

2017-10-05 Thread Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech
Correlation does not imply causation. We have a lot of 4D developers working here, but I'm on the only who participates actively in the list. Also, 4D has a lot fewer "issues" these days than in the old days. The user base is definitely a lot smaller compared to the gay 90s, but we've all

Re: [offish]Volume of mail

2017-10-05 Thread Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech
I think we’re all too lazy to get up and move all the way over to the 4D forums. I do go there for research and find the forums much more active, and with far many more users than we see here. And with 4D themselves pushing us in that direction, I see more and more of us who have been on this

Re: [offish]Volume of mail

2017-10-05 Thread Paul Lovejoy via 4D_Tech
Chip, I've noticed the same thing. Sadly I think your suspicions are founded. 4D doesn't share much information in the way of marketing statistics. Paul > On 5 oct. 2017, at 18:52, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I know that many of you have been on this

[offish]Volume of mail

2017-10-05 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
I know that many of you have been on this list for a long time, as have I. I have noticed, over the past couple of years, that the volume of email on this list has dropped - a lot -. It used to be, that if I was out of the office, or whatever, and unable/unwilling to check email for 1 or more

RE: 4D v16.2 false record locks

2017-10-05 Thread Dennis, Neil via 4D_Tech
> Now in the context of this thread, this appears to be an anomaly? Not an anomaly. I have found the same great service, even with a tough bug... we had a problem with web packets not being delivered. We had wireshark captures and web logs showing the problem but could not reproduce it outside

RE: What to do about users who won't follow instructions?

2017-10-05 Thread Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech
Everyone, Well, I never anticipated so much interest in our DMM Training Center concept, so it took me a little off-guard. Due to all the requests, I have shared a couple screen shots of this at the following: https://www.screencast.com/t/7hfZHYefaXbq A brief overview of what you are

Test

2017-10-05 Thread Richard Wright via 4D_Tech
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RE: What to do about users who won't follow instructions?

2017-10-05 Thread Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech
Did you read this: http://www.clarify-it.com/blog/the-future-of-clarify: The Future (or Lack Thereof) of Clarify and Clarify-it.com Regards Lutz > > For short documentation/training, I use Clarify: > > http://www.clarify-it.com/learn > > It is on Mac &