Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger

2019-09-06 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
On Sep 6, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Tom Benedict wrote: > Can you also get access privileges from AD? If so, how are they synced to 4D > Users & Groups? Or maybe they aren’t? If they aren’t, what do you do to > manage access within the app? Hi Tom, For the system I was talking about, I gave my client

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
Hi Eric, This is a good discussion and you are making a lot of good points. On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 6:25 AM Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > 1. Passwords are only alphanumeric. > 2. No two factor options. > 3. Usernames and password are stored in the Structure file. (Very

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
On Sep 6, 2019, at 06:15, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > Arrgh, do you rely believe trusting/relying on an outside “system” is worth > even considering? > > Please think again, and than think different and again… > > Just as a warning, “Active Directory” and

RE: NTK 3.1.0 crashing on some Windows 10 1803 Home, 4D Remote v17R4build 232574

2019-09-06 Thread David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech
I went ahead and replaced the NTK call with HTTP Get and am waiting to here from the Client to know how if the crashing has stopped…. I don’t think I’ll get the opportunity to re-test with 8.8.8.8 as the DNS lookup. Thanks, David Ringsmuth

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech
On my 17R3 system the symbols did not work. I tried to do this and they failed since I was going to use symbols after forced password changes I have symbols in the directory service. I did an enterprise wide password purge since I had users who’s passwords were the same as their usernames. I

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 10:50:30 -0400, Eric Naujock wrote: > > >> On Sep 6, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Chip Scheide >> <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 09:25:39 -0400, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech wrote: >>> as I look closer at it with questions from a state government >>> security

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Maurice Inzirillo - AJAR via 4D_Tech
> On 6 Sep 2019, at 16:50, Eric Naujock wrote: > >>> >>> 4. No account lockouts for fail authentication attempts. An attacker >>> can just continuously try usernames and passwords indefinitely. >> the only workaround is to have to write your own login dialog. >> I do not know if this is

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger

2019-09-06 Thread Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech
My current system does extend the directory system. Though managing that extension can be a headache. Right now we just use the built in basic username/password authentication. But I have found parts of the old code that did implement their own authentication solution. But that was likely used

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech
> On Sep 6, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 09:25:39 -0400, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech wrote: >> as I look closer at it with questions from a state government >> security person I can see a number of glaring holes that should be >>

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 09:25:39 -0400, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech wrote: > as I look closer at it with questions from a state government > security person I can see a number of glaring holes that should be > filled. These are the biggest ones I see. > > 1. Passwords are only alphanumeric. ?? what

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech
If your organization has AD or LDAP servers already I can't think of a drawback... > On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > Is there some news about Active Directory which I’ve missed lately? What > weaknesses should I be concerned enough

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech
Is there some news about Active Directory which I’ve missed lately? What weaknesses should I be concerned enough about to devote my efforts at "home brewing" something better? Thanks, Tom Benedict > On Sep 6, 2019, at 06:15, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > >

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech
Jong, Thanks for the feedback. What you have laid out is an interesting concept. I like the thought that went into it and obviously its working well for you. I will take your feedback and add it to my thought process. My main project only has one location but I will have users connecting in

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech
Good morning, I did take a look at that article a short while ago. Its an interesting read and they do have a number of interesting security options available. But there is still the fundamental issue that the gateway or login process is one that can be hacked and sometimes quite easily

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech
Jeffrey, > On 6 Sep 2019, at 01:17 AEST, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > 4D integrates well with Active Directory/LDAP servers. That's probably the > best way to go, along with some custom code to track failed login attempts Arrgh, do you rely believe

Re: "automatically repaired method"

2019-09-06 Thread Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech
Tom - We used to see this a lot after a repair. To confirm Miyako's comments, it seems to not happen very much anymore, and it seems like this should be impossible once we start using project mode someday. Jeff > On Sep 6, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> >

Re: NTK 3.1.0 crashing on some Windows 10 1803 Home, 4D Remote v17R4 build 232574

2019-09-06 Thread Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech
does it help if you change the DNS to 8.8.8.8 (google) ? I find that some networks are disconnected from microsoftonline or google endpoints for a short while. > 2019/09/06 12:04、David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール: > > It still crashed when NTK 3.1.0 is used to contact

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Maurice Inzirillo - AJAR via 4D_Tech
Hi Eric, Regarding 4D security I recommend to read this special 4D Security Guide to get a full idea of what 4D offers https://blog.4d.com/4d-security-guide/ Best regards, Maurice Inzirillo -- AJAR S.A. https://ch-fr.4d.com twitter: ajar_info Tél : +41 (0)323422684 > On 5 Sep 2019, at

Re: 4D authentication system that allow for stronger security.

2019-09-06 Thread Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech
Eric, > On 6 Sep 2019, at 24:22 AEST, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > Does anyone have a replacement login system for 4D that offers stronger > authentication security than the current system. Since the current system > does not enforce password changes, or