Re: Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-13 Thread Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech
Oh come on know many are still around it is just that the circumference has changed Chuck Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306 Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064

Re: Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-12 Thread bob.miller--- via 4D_Tech
RE> The people I meant to write to know perfectly well my history and what I'm talking about - and know that it's form a quarter of a century ago. (By now, virtually no one from those days is even around.) David, Virtually no one? Really? Come back to the US for the next Summit and you'll

Re: ​Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
Hey Kirk, thanks for the thoughtful post. And, just for the record, I'm not a CS guy. I was an English major and have never taken any sort of CS class. But i'm good at learning on my own. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > David, >

Re: ​Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
I just wanted to post something about my post. In a word: D'oh! I woke up this morning to realize that I'd posted my message to the list, which wasn't what I intended. I meant to post it to a bunch of old-timers I stay in touch with when I need a grumble. I've mis-posted tings on various lists

Re: ​Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
David, Interesting initial post - like marmalade on a flakey croissant, a little sweet and a little bitter. I've hammered a similar nail before: what is 4D's vision of itself? What is the target market? Why does such a fabulous product remain so unknown? Why isn't there better documentation? Let's

Re: Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
I just wanted to post something about my post. In a word: D'oh! I woke up this morning to realize that I'd posted my message to the NUG, which wasn't what I intended. I meant to post it to a bunch of old-timers I stay in touch with when I need a grumble. I've mis-posted tings on various lists

Re: ​Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
Steve, Wow! Thank you so, so much for your beautiful post. I loved it all, and I think that your assessment is pretty much right on the money on all counts. And, yes, I am a very quick typist ;-) I am also sleeping great these days, but thanks for your concern there. I grew up in an environment I

Re: ​Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread steve simpson via 4D_Tech
> > From: David Adams > > For anyone that's seen me on the forums in recent months, let's just > say...what I'm doing isn't working. I keep raising what I think are pretty > basic issues and I just end up with a ton of heat back from 4D and not a > lot of information. It's