Re: I'm puzzled...

2021-10-28 Thread Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech 
G’day Bernd,

> On 28 /10 /2021, at 17:27, Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> new stuff

Hey I love new stuff too as long as it has real “nutritional value”, it makes 
sense and is not mostly a PR-hype.

Thanks for sharing your view on things.

Cheers
Jörg
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Re: I'm puzzled...

2021-10-28 Thread Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech 
Jörg Knebel:

> To me it looks like that Xcode, MS-Visual-Studio and some additional Editors 
> are mandatory now to create a working application with/in 4D

Hi Jörg.

XCode is only necessary if you want to compile for Apples new M1 processor.
4D has no choice in that matter, blame Apple.

As for project mode: I needed a while to transfer our over 30 year old app to 
project mode, but it now works as well as before.
I could have left it in binary and it would still work, but only with rosetta 
on M1 (which is still a lot faster than on native intel).
There is no need to rush the transition, I think you can stay in binary as long 
as Aplle supports Rosetta, but I love the new features, so I wanted to update.
Yes, it needs some time to get used to all the new stuff (I still need a lot to 
learn), but for me it was worth the effort.

Just my 2 cent.

Greetings from Germany,
Bernd Fröhlich
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Re: I'm puzzled...

2021-10-27 Thread Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech 
Hey Alex and Kirk,


Thank you for your response. :o)))

Cheers
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Re: I'm puzzled...

2021-10-27 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech 
>> It is time for 4D to declare in detail what direction the kangaroo is
hoping to give people the chance to make the right decision on time.

That train left the station a long time ago. It's as done as the Power PC.
4D has clearly stated binary will be supported for the foreseeable future
but new features are only coming to Project mode.

So if your app runs in binary, primarily on windows machines and you don't
have any need of the shinny new tools and features you can rock on without
worry.

Otherwise you need to learn a new language. Could be ORDA and Project mode
or could be something else but either way you have to learn something new.

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 5:59 AM Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> G’day,
>
> Having watched the "4D World Tour Live 2021”, downloaded the V19 material
> and checked it and browsed that 4D-Web-Forum, especially
> https://discuss.4d.com/t/adding-field-or-variable-not-working/20963 <
> https://discuss.4d.com/t/adding-field-or-variable-not-working/20963>
> started by Tom Dillon with the interesting remark from a responder about
> some “modern project format”…
>
> Those 4D still claims, in a marketing and/or reality capacity, to have an
> IDE (Integrated Development Environment)?
>
> To me it looks like that Xcode, MS-Visual-Studio and some additional
> Editors are mandatory now to create a working application with/in 4D if one
> mistakenly starts the development in project mode where so much “doesn’t
> really make sense anymore” according to a post on the mentioned forum.
>
> It is time for 4D to declare in detail what direction the kangaroo is
> hoping to give people the chance to make the right decision on time.
>
> Cheers
> Jörg
>
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Re: I'm puzzled...

2021-10-27 Thread Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech 
Well..

That specific Kangaroo is unstoppably hopping towards Project mode.
New features will only be available there and it makes sense.
Most IDEs rely external libraries for such mundane tasks as compiling, etc.
In the case of 4D, you only need things like X-Code if you belong to these poor 
souls still trying to develop single user applications for the mac…
Stopped doing that ages ago, actually stopped supporting Mac a long time ago.
Wisest decision I ever made.
I still love to develop ON a mac, but I never again would develop FOR mac, 
there is not enough money in the world to persuade me otherwise.
As for wanting to hop on the clicky baity sparkling trail of phone based 
application.
Yes, you will need all that, but seriously if you even think about going that 
way, all hope for you is lost already...
Period!
:-)

> Am 27.10.2021 um 14:58 schrieb Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:
> 
> G’day,
> 
> Having watched the "4D World Tour Live 2021”, downloaded the V19 material and 
> checked it and browsed that 4D-Web-Forum, especially 
> https://discuss.4d.com/t/adding-field-or-variable-not-working/20963 
>  started 
> by Tom Dillon with the interesting remark from a responder about some “modern 
> project format”… 
> 
> Those 4D still claims, in a marketing and/or reality capacity, to have an IDE 
> (Integrated Development Environment)?
> 
> To me it looks like that Xcode, MS-Visual-Studio and some additional Editors 
> are mandatory now to create a working application with/in 4D if one 
> mistakenly starts the development in project mode where so much “doesn’t 
> really make sense anymore” according to a post on the mentioned forum.
> 
> It is time for 4D to declare in detail what direction the kangaroo is hoping 
> to give people the chance to make the right decision on time.
> 
> Cheers
> Jörg
> 
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I'm puzzled...

2021-10-27 Thread Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech 
G’day,

Having watched the "4D World Tour Live 2021”, downloaded the V19 material and 
checked it and browsed that 4D-Web-Forum, especially 
https://discuss.4d.com/t/adding-field-or-variable-not-working/20963 
 started 
by Tom Dillon with the interesting remark from a responder about some “modern 
project format”… 

Those 4D still claims, in a marketing and/or reality capacity, to have an IDE 
(Integrated Development Environment)?

To me it looks like that Xcode, MS-Visual-Studio and some additional Editors 
are mandatory now to create a working application with/in 4D if one mistakenly 
starts the development in project mode where so much “doesn’t really make sense 
anymore” according to a post on the mentioned forum.

It is time for 4D to declare in detail what direction the kangaroo is hoping to 
give people the chance to make the right decision on time.

Cheers
Jörg

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