Re: [9fans] exporting namespace

2008-11-10 Thread lupin636
On 3 Nov, 14:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (erik quanstrom) wrote: m trying to export a namespace from my file server (that is a namespace's bootes) to my terminal (logging as a client), i tried to do: servname% exportfs -a -r /tmp  (from file server) but i have this error: exportfs:

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-10 Thread sqweek
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:59 PM, jfmxl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My ISP was blocking port 25 outgoing, so I could send mail to my own mailserver. It turned out that sendmail was listening on port 587 as well, so I use that instead. I assumed my ISP was blocking outgoing port 25 to stop

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-10 Thread John Waters
Here in Saudi Arabia, most ISPs are happy to provide what I like to call five sevens service. I think that it would be awesome to have a net connection stable enough to run a smtp or http server. Then again I think it would be nice to have an ISP where I don't have to run pull 3 or 4 times in

Re: [9fans] plan9 lexer problem

2008-11-10 Thread Prem Mallappa
the manual for lex says .. lex -9 should generate a Plan9 compatible code with u.h and libc.h included, otherwise 8c and 8l will generate error searching for vsprintf(...) /Prem On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:54 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: %{ %} %% stop print(Stop!!

Re: [9fans] 9grid

2008-11-10 Thread lupin636
Thanks for replaying... Sorry but i got confusion about your replay, i think i don't understand very well I want to make it clear first that the file/auth server are the same pc, and the cpuservers are the nodes of the cluster (5 nodes), which are diskless, and a terminal (my laptop). I'd like to

[9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Was really bummed not to be able to make IWP9 this year. A note to whoever is considering hosting the next one -- it would be really cool for us corporate types if we could move it into the first two quarters of the year as its usually around July that our travel budgets get slashed. I think it

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread john
Was really bummed not to be able to make IWP9 this year. A note to whoever is considering hosting the next one -- it would be really cool for us corporate types if we could move it into the first two quarters of the year as its usually around July that our travel budgets get slashed. I

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Fco. J. Ballesteros
Northeast US, say january or feb., skipping next year, would be great for me. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Putting in a request for somewhere in the Northeast U.S. next year, if people are willing to accept the weather. I'd offer to host it here in Rochester (at RIT, I think they'd go for

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-10 Thread erik quanstrom
So we're building up direct (encrypted) uucp links again. Not just to get around the regulation, but also not to let the spies learn what's going through the wire. why uucp? ppp works just fine for direct connections. - erik

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Fco. J. Ballesteros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Northeast US, say january or feb., skipping next year, would be great for me. Clearly you just want to go skiing ;) -eric

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Robert Raschke
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone has write access to the plan 9 wiki. hmm, perhaps I didn't look hard enough, but I didn't see anything like an edit button etc ... ;-o Put in Acme Wiki.

Re: [9fans] plan9 on opensparc ?

2008-11-10 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
64-bit sparc compiler would be first step -eric On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:44 AM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:58 AM, simplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone tried this? http://www.opensparc.net/ I've been wanting to ... no time.

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread erik quanstrom
Northeast US, say january or feb., skipping next year, would be great for me. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Putting in a request for somewhere in the Northeast U.S. next year, if people are willing to accept the weather. I'd offer to host it here in Rochester (at RIT, I think they'd

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:03 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have offered to host in athens, ga. home of coraid, the university of georgia, and almost never any snow. we're just outside atlanta. I like it being near a major airport, and atlanta is a very common one-stop from

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Brian L. Stuart
i have offered to host in athens, ga. home of coraid, the university of georgia, and almost never any snow. we're just outside atlanta. That would work better really well for me, as I'm in Memphis--much easier to drive to Atlanta than to the northeast, or Greece for that matter... And since

Re: [9fans] photos of iwp9

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
Hi all, Another call for a photo of me giving the talk. It would significantly increase the value of the shirt! Links mentioned in Volos: Synth chip (open group): http://groups.google.com/group/casella Dis on a chip (just ask and ye shall receive):

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread ron minnich
we want to avoid the mistake I made at the last linuxbios meeting -- attaching it to an expensive conference. keep it cheap. ron

[9fans] 9grid

2008-11-10 Thread lupin636
Hi All, I'm accomplishing a 9grid, that is composed of a file server, 2 cluster (diskless cpuserver nodes) and a terminal.. I'm trying to connect to a cpuserver (node of 9grid) from a terminal, to launch some tasks, but i don't really know how to do it, i was trying with cpu(1) command, i was

Re: [9fans] 9grid

2008-11-10 Thread erik quanstrom
trying with cpu(1) command, i was doing: cpu -h fileservername and the prompt changed from term% to cpu%, and i supposed that was correct, but when i tried to connect to a cpuserver (all nodes are diskless) cpu -h cpuservername the prompt didn't change, is that correct? before doing

Re: [9fans] photos of iwp9

2008-11-10 Thread sqweek
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Bruce Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another call for a photo of me giving the talk. It would significantly increase the value of the shirt! cinap just gave you one! http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/photos/iwp9.2008/dscn0182.jpg If you

Re: [9fans] 9grid

2008-11-10 Thread lupin636
I have a doubt.because i was thinking about all i have to do, and i don't know if using cpu command is the right thing to do. anyway, the fact is, i have to launch a simple task from terminal (connected by armando) to a node on the cluster (diskless cpu server), i thought that cpu command was

Re: [9fans] 9grid

2008-11-10 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a doubt.because i was thinking about all i have to do, and i don't know if using cpu command is the right thing to do. anyway, the fact is, i have to launch a simple task from terminal (connected by armando) to a node on the

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
I have enquired and am settled with Sydney in the first week of November, if if you want that. Everything All ready to go. Tell me if you want a different month. brucee (as much as i enoy this greek expedition i can't take tiger to the US, without great expense and possible harm). On Mon, Nov

Re: [9fans] plan9 lexer problem

2008-11-10 Thread erik quanstrom
%{ %} %% stop print(Stop!! recieved\n); start print(Start - recieved\n); %% the fix for this should be to add #include u.h #include libc.h between %{ and %} but this doesn't work because lex includes stdio.h before it processes %{ %}. you'll need to write a shim, fixlex.c, that goes

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-10 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So we're building up direct (encrypted) uucp links again. Not just to get around the regulation, but also not to let the spies learn what's going through the wire. why uucp? ppp works just fine for direct connections. we're just talking

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Charles Forsyth
So we IMHO should learn from all the big community projects how to attract people and get them involved with minimal effort. It's not for us, it's for them ... i know, but have you spoken to the auther of the comment below: Mozilla folks aren't very open to innovation (no matter how old/mature

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-10 Thread Eris Discordia
Port 587 is mostly used for TLS encrypted SMTP. Blocking outgoing 25 is madness. Email is one rudimentary service everyone expects from their Internet connectivity and not everybody uses web mail interfaces. machines from spamming. Why do you think yours stopped incoming port 25? Probably

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I´m trading snow extra hours flying. :) I don´t like snow too much, but making a long trip longer is worse, IMHO. On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Fco. J. Ballesteros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Northeast US, say

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread lejatorn
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 09:36:02AM -0600, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Fco. J. Ballesteros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Northeast US, say january or feb., skipping next year, would be great for me. Clearly you just want to go skiing ;) sheeesh, barely

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Michaelian Ennis
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:03 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have offered to host in athens, ga. home of coraid, the university of georgia, and almost never any snow. we're just outside atlanta. - erik I too would prefer Athens, GA as I live there. Also I would likely be

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
BigPond in Australia blocks outgoing - you can only use their mail server. I spoke to one of their security experts and ended up asking what if my remote mailserver was on port 80?. Long pause. Well the decision has been made. Well good, I'll change to port 80 - have a nice day. brucee On

Re: [9fans] photos of iwp9

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
what a good man! On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM, sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Bruce Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another call for a photo of me giving the talk. It would significantly increase the value of the shirt! cinap just gave you one!

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-10 Thread Charles Forsyth
i was sure my copy of pathalias would somehow come into its own again.---BeginMessage--- * erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So we're building up direct (encrypted) uucp links again. Not just to get around the regulation, but also not to let the spies learn what's going through the

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
Curiously BigPond (Big, Big, Stagnant Pond) does not block incoming 80. So if you can guess my IP you can be entertained. Maybe I'll stir the Pond again in the future. brucee On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was sure my copy of pathalias would somehow

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
Colocation with Bondi Beach may not be bad either. http://www.chunder.com/may96/ravesis.html You, and Summit Police, have met Ms Wendy - Mr Hensbergen Pickup-Truck. I will give in and fly if needed. What else do I do with all these damned frequent flyer miles? With all due respect, brucee On

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Wes Kussmaul
Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: Northeast US, say january or feb., skipping next year, would be great for me. Clearly you just want to go skiing ;) If you want skiing then you want to hold it in Whistler (British Columbia). But I would *strongly* recommend against skipping a year if it's held

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Wes Kussmaul wrote: There are things about Whi$tler that would pose problems for some. Is it possible to rent a room in the Longhorn? And if there are too many people, some of us could go on Blackcomb. -BEGIN

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Wes Kussmaul
If you want skiing then you want to hold it in Whistler (British Columbia). But I would *strongly* recommend against skipping a year if it's held there :-P There are things about Whi$tler that would pose problems for some. Whistler got its name from the common reaction to readers of

[9fans] speaking of whistler...

2008-11-10 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here's a screenshot of Windows 7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Windows7Desktop.png I think this looks familiar. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkYrlUACgkQuv7AVNQDs+wZfACfQtDTq1ShP1kw1I68WBPFh+pW

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
My orthopaedic surgeon would disown me - and he's a valuable asset. brucee On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Wes Kussmaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want skiing then you want to hold it in Whistler (British Columbia). But I would *strongly* recommend against skipping a year if it's

Re: [9fans] success with 9vx from a terminal

2008-11-10 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 01:55 +0900, sqweek wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Roman V. Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only question is -- where such a note is supposed to be sent to? Can someone, please, educate me on the moral equivalent of process groups, sessions and

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Anant Narayanan
On 10-Nov-08, at 10:56 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik wrote: I wish 9p:// URL worked out of the box in Firefox, but it doesn't. Shameless plug: It does if you install the Angled extension: http://www.kix.in/projects/web9/ Ok, I lied - ninep:// works, 9p:// doesn't :) -- Anant

Re: [9fans] success with 9vx from a terminal

2008-11-10 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least in case of cpu(1) the magic is a bit perverse and quite unlike the rest of the system. The way notes are managed make a local end of a cpu(1) jump through considerable hoops in order for the notes to be

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 15:17 +0900, sqweek wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Steve Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about if you start a page with a list of the 9p file servers you know of, say on the plan9 wiki, and then email 9fans

Re: [9fans] success with 9vx from a terminal

2008-11-10 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 14:49 -0800, ron minnich wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least in case of cpu(1) the magic is a bit perverse and quite unlike the rest of the system. The way notes are managed make a local end of a cpu(1) jump

Re: [9fans] success with 9vx from a terminal

2008-11-10 Thread ron minnich
cpu is just great tutorial. notes forwarder, well, I am stil unsure. ron

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 11:26 +, Steve Simon wrote: How about if you start a page with a list of the 9p file servers you know of, say on the plan9 wiki, and then email 9fans asking them to add any that you have missed? That's the plan! I can see how such a thing might be a useful resource

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread C H Forsyth
And even we we stick with the resources as regular files approach on the client you're stuck with mostly POSIX environment + locking (+caching). POSIX means symlink(2) and mknod(2) no, because (unless i've misunderstood) they are accessing resources (as regular files) on a remote server, and

Re: [9fans] success with 9vx from a terminal

2008-11-10 Thread erik quanstrom
At least in case of cpu(1) the magic is a bit perverse and quite unlike the rest of the system. The way notes are managed make a local end of a cpu(1) jump through considerable hoops in order for the notes to be properly delivered. That was a sad discovery. Another discovery was that

Re: [9fans] success with 9vx from a terminal

2008-11-10 Thread andrey mirtchovski
... would you really honestly say that rolling out your own notes forwarder is a *neat* trick? As opposed to be able to use basic system's FS functionality? ok, how would you implement it, then? how would you deliver a note to a process that's running on a remote machine? would you be

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 23:38 +, C H Forsyth wrote: And even we we stick with the resources as regular files approach on the client you're stuck with mostly POSIX environment + locking (+caching). POSIX means symlink(2) and mknod(2) no, because (unless i've misunderstood) they are

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Charles Forsyth
But wouldn't you agree that files kept on a remote POSIX file system is an important and common class of remotes resources for which we don't quite have a consensus on how to use 9P? yes, but both your examples are things of purely local significance. the symbolic links point to something local

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have at least three different attempts at solving that: 9P2000.u, Skip's Text/Rext and a parallel tree approach, but no consensus(*) four. My original v9fs added 3 ops for supporting symlinks and hardlinks. There

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have at least three different attempts at solving that: 9P2000.u, Skip's Text/Rext and a parallel tree approach, but no consensus(*) four.

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 00:14 +, Charles Forsyth wrote: But wouldn't you agree that files kept on a remote POSIX file system is an important and common class of remotes resources for which we don't quite have a consensus on how to use 9P? yes, but both your examples are things of purely

Re: [9fans] success with 9vx from a terminal

2008-11-10 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I would like to be able to import the /proc (or similar) filesystem from the remote machine and bind it over the files that my local kernel uses to send notes to the proxy process. That's how my ideal world model would work. Observe how that was also the first suggestion on the notes thief

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
Why does your build fail? Lack of vision to the extreme resulting in a completely horrible way of building things that has grew and grew to something that not even its mother could not love. In some sense it's good that it fails. If you want to build things that way then don't use plan9.

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Roman V. Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. On a similar note I'd like to add that the requirement outlined above seem to be quite typical in today's world. See, on one hand new kind of resources (take flickr or youtube as an example) are very Actually, I've got flickr-9P on my

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So we IMHO should learn from all the big community projects how to attract people and get them involved with minimal effort. It's not for us, it's for them ... i know, but have you spoken to the auther of the comment below: Mozilla folks aren't

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Actually, I've got flickr-9P on my 2do-list [ ... ] Is there any hope of re-winding the clock back to some time pre- September?

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-10 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess because terms of service for a home user do not cover serving from the user's site. Ron Minnich said it's his home machine so I assume he has paid for a plan with the word home somewhere in the plan title or the ToS. ISPs like to

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Robert Raschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone has write access to the plan 9 wiki. hmm, perhaps I didn't look hard enough, but I didn't see anything like an edit button etc

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread sqweek
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Robert Raschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone has write access to the plan 9 wiki. hmm, perhaps I

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
We have at least three different attempts at solving that: 9P2000.u, Skip's Text/Rext and a parallel tree approach, but no consensus(*) Text/Rext are Bruce's idea which he prototyped for Styx. i might have asked for something more crude to deal with lock requests.

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-10 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
Perhaps someone should sit down and write an win32 driver for it ;-) there is one.