Re: [9fans] Books on plan 9

2008-11-15 Thread Eris Discordia
PDF files are books as much as printed bound stacks of paper are. Nemo's book should suffice--the rest is exploration. Plan 9 is lean and nimble, these 9fans say. You could be their proof of concept. Let's see what becomes of you. --On Friday, November 14, 2008 5:23 PM -1000 Nolan Hamilton

Re: [9fans] Books on plan 9

2008-11-15 Thread John Waters
What I did was have Nemo's book and a number of the papers printed and bound for $40 US. Swing by your local Popcopy and have one of the apathetic and condescending staff do the same. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Nolan Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I was wondering if there are any

Re: [9fans] Books on plan 9

2008-11-15 Thread Rodolfo kix Garcia
Hi Nolan, you can buy some items here: http://www.vitanuova.com/products.html Saludos. Nolan Hamilton escribió: I was wondering if there are any books on plan 9. I mean that I can buy at a book store, not just a .pdf. I have already read nemo's textbook. -Nolan Hamilton

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread Eris Discordia
Exactly! An idle TCP connection costs you nothing except the state that Would you mind reading my response, too, and then informing me of your opinion? Not only that, but if you look at the amount of state something like iptables on Linux needs to keep in order to provide NAT capabilities

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread Sergey Zhilkin
Also, neither you nor anyone else have addressed the question of port forwarding using an imported /net. Now I'm curious: do any of you 9fans have an internal network behind a gateway that runs Plan 9? In case you do, I'll be grateful if read about the configuration of your network(s). May

Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys

2008-11-15 Thread Uriel
You don't need the crowds for this kind of 'wisdom', google has been one of the main pushers for distributed compilation lately... with ken on board, that is a rather sad thing to waste resources on. uriel On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 7:29 AM, John Barham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14,

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave
hello if the point of port forward is to access a service behind a firewall you can do something like: inside% import outside /net /net inside% start_service and the servide will listen on the /net of the outside machine. that's just a simple example. slds. gabi El 15/11/20 Also,

Re: [9fans] Books on plan 9

2008-11-15 Thread Federico G. Benavento
http://www.dykinson.com/book--Notes_on_the_plan_9tm_3rd_edition_kernel_source--232472.html On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Rodolfo kix Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nolan, you can buy some items here: http://www.vitanuova.com/products.html Saludos. Nolan Hamilton escribió: I

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread hiro
I think if plan9 was the real standard /net, ip, dns and of course nat would not matter at all. Imagine i.e. bind '#wan' for putting the world in your namespace. The device would take care of the communication to the next node and you would not even have to mind which protocol to use. Your

[9fans] Stupid question...

2008-11-15 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Haven't run into this scenario before myself, so I'm not quite sure how to get out of it. I just installed a new virtual standalone CPU server on my home machine. I followed the instructions on the wiki for standalone cpu/auth. I'm drawterming in this case from a windows box. I can drawterm in

Re: [9fans] Stupid question...

2008-11-15 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: Haven't run into this scenario before myself, so I'm not quite sure how to get out of it. I just installed a new virtual standalone CPU server on my home machine. I followed the instructions on the wiki for standalone cpu/auth. I'm

Re: [9fans] Stupid question...

2008-11-15 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Jeff Sickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you /lib/ndb has the loopback interface and auth settings for your virtual net? I am actually using a bridged virtual network, so I shouldn't have to configure different NAT stuff. Also wouldn't explain why drawterm as

Re: [9fans] Stupid question...

2008-11-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Given that you weren't running the auth server, how was logging in as bootes working? both factotums already contained the auth keys for the user bootes so the authentication code probably short-circuited the auth process. i'm away from a plan9 installation so i can't verify with actual code.

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 15, 2008, at 3:21 AM, Eris Discordia wrote: Exactly! An idle TCP connection costs you nothing except the state that Would you mind reading my response, too, and then informing me of your opinion? It would be helpful if you can quote exactly the part on which you are requesting

Re: [9fans] Stupid question...

2008-11-15 Thread Nathaniel W Filardo
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:30:05AM -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: Given that you weren't running the auth server, how was logging in as bootes working? both factotums already contained the auth keys for the user bootes so the authentication code probably short-circuited the auth process.

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread Micah Stetson
I'm unclear as to what amount of state iptables needs to keep After you do something like: # iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p TCP -j MASQUERADE the Linux kernel module called nf_conntrack starts allocating data structures to do its job. I'll leave it up to you to see how much memory

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread Felipe Bichued
as usual, plan9 lets you combine simple commands to provide all sorts of interesting functionality. on my plan9 gateway i often have to do something like: aux/listen1 -tv tcp!*!22 /bin/aux/trampoline tcp!$linux!22 there you have it, port forwarding without the need to reset all your connections

[9fans] upas + pop3

2008-11-15 Thread erik quanstrom
if you're using upas with pop3 and can't easily use imap4, could you send me a note off line. thanks. - erik

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread sqweek
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 2:29 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see how port forwarding is possible at all with an imported /net. Because your mind is set - as far as you're concerned, NAT is how things work. With /net, the concept doesn't exist. The http server just imports

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread Iruata Souza
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, neither you nor anyone else have addressed the question of port forwarding using an imported /net. I love science. iru

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: What field? Out of the field := clueless I believe our conversation stops right here. Should you ever consider restarting it -- a simple apology for being an asshole would do the trick. Thanks, Roman.

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Micah Stetson wrote: I'm unclear as to what amount of state iptables needs to keep After you do something like: # iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p TCP -j MASQUERADE the Linux kernel module called nf_conntrack starts allocating data structures to do its job.

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-15 Thread Eris Discordia
I believe our conversation stops right here. Should you ever consider restarting it -- a simple apology for being an asshole would do the trick. If you look at the context you'll see this wasn't an insult at all: I wrote out of the field with respect to [something]. That means you seem to now