On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:20 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
see ipconfig(8).
ip/rip ... I wonder!
P.S.: Thanks for all the pointers...
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Rahul Murmuria
hello all,
I'm interested in working on a simple project for one of my class
(operating system). But we are required to turn in our project by the
end of the semester (may), so basically nothing big.
I have always been interested in Plan9 and have been able to run it on
my Windows XP machine. I
as long as you restrict your network to plan 9 machines, it is possible
to import /net from a gateway machine and avoid sticky things like packet
filtering.
Back to the future yet? May I suggest that the sticky packet filtering,
more generally packet manipulation, has crucial applications in
2009/3/24 Rahul Murmuria rahul.is.a...@gmail.com:
@ Devon:
About Packet Classification. I read that iptables is not needed on
Plan 9 because its mount /net over the network concept achieved
anonymity or transparency -- something along those lines. There are
no logs about who is sending what,
I believe I have a rudimentary and probably non-working (at this
point) packet filter in /n/sources/contrib/dho somewhere (it was
written at least 4 years ago). I think it's called ``nfil.'' I
believe it is desirable. Others disagree. Its usefulness is related
directly to its application,
2009/3/25 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net:
I believe I have a rudimentary and probably non-working (at this
point) packet filter in /n/sources/contrib/dho somewhere (it was
written at least 4 years ago). I think it's called ``nfil.'' I
believe it is desirable. Others disagree. Its
Hi all,
I am interested in the GSoc project: Linuxemu improvement.
But the project description seems too general. I don't know from
which aspect can we make improvement. There is a TODO file in
the linuxemu3 source directory and I find TLS, futex, VDSO listed.
Can these TODOs make a gsoc project?
it seems like a reasonable start to me, at least, but i don't know as
much as i could about the internals of linuxemu (i haven't really
looked inside since russ's initial version). the current maintainer is
frequently found in #plan9 on irc.freenode.net; i'd encourage you to
pop in there and see
There are GSoC project suggestions at http://gsoc.cat-v.org/ideas/
but I think more are needed, and that it would be especially good
to have a further set of useful but simpler and smaller projects.
Projects need to be non-trivial for GSoC, but shouldn't
be hard enough that many of us would shun
Does creative masoshism count as GSoC project? I dont know :)
Hm... These points all belong to the big topic, getting modern linux
distro binaries (NTPL stuff) to work. This would be a good thing
because I'm stuck on some old debian sarge that was just moved to the
archives.
Step one would be
2009/3/25 Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net:
[snip]
I don't know where the best place to suggest or discuss them would be,
but I thought this list would reach nearly everyone interested.
I've sort of volunteered myself to webmaster the gsoc.cat-v.org page
for this year's SoC, so if you have
On Mar 25, 6:14 am, rahul.is.a...@gmail.com (Rahul Murmuria) wrote:
I was poking around for what it would take to get there. I found
this[1]. I am basically looking to have a way to do routing using Plan
9. You can already do that on any standard Linux using Quagga[2] based
on GNU Zebra.
I didn't understand IP 'till I read the Plan9 source code.
one can replace IP in that sentence with so many other things... i'm
really glad plan9 exists.
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:00:58 EDT Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com
wrote:
While creating an
entire routing suite (such as Zebra/Quagga) is probably outside of the
scope of a 3 month project, I think a diligent student could probably
do
2009/3/25 Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:00:58 EDT Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com
wrote:
While creating an
entire routing suite (such as Zebra/Quagga) is probably outside of the
scope of a 3 month project,
2009/3/25 Paul Lalonde plalo...@telus.net:
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I'd like to see a 3D graphics protocol. Then I could run the host on some
linux or window or mac box to do the display, and run the graphics app in
Plan9, or inferno, or ...
And (heresy aside) I've
hola,
I saw the GSoC group and caught something: ethernet on usb. But I
don't know much about that either.
cinap, already got usb over ethernet
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/usbether/
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Federico G. Benavento
Gogo reimplementation of cfront.
i'm pretty sure c++ has advanced to the point where
the cfront implementation technique is unworkable.
- erik
If you're interested in participating in the GSoC program, or for
ideas on open projects, take a look at http://gsoc.cat-v.org/ideas/
--dho
Gogo reimplementation of cfront.
i'm pretty sure c++ has advanced to the point where
the cfront implementation technique is unworkable.
The Comeau C++ compiler [1] uses the cfront technique, doesn't it? It is
supposed to be very standards-compliant.
[1] http://www.comeaucomputing.com
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Paul Lalonde wrote:
I'd like to see a 3D graphics protocol. Then I could run the host on
some linux or window or mac box to do the display, and run the graphics
app in Plan9, or inferno, or ...
A port of vmgl to Plan9 would be nice for this.
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/
As
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A modern cfront is nearly impossible. Templates make it hella-hard.
And generics might actually be C++'s best feature, at least in
performance-code land.
Paul
On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
2009/3/25 Paul Lalonde
A modern cfront is nearly impossible. Templates make it hella-hard.
really? how is that?
Hi dear Plan9 fellows,
my Name is André Günther. I'd like to participate in the gsoc with an
implementation of a drawterm on the iPhone platform.
In this Mail I'd like to do the following 2 things:
1) Say some words about me and motivation of this project.
2) Present
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I wouldn't even consider a native GL port; it's device driver hell
for an API that I'm hoping will be extinct in the next couple of years.
VMGL looks like it might be a good base. I would like to see it
speak 9p though :-)
Paul
On Mar 25,
Another student I spoke to on IRC spoke of the possibility of
bootstrapping LLVM for Plan 9 on Linux and getting it to run natively.
That would give us a whole bunch of different compilers.
--dho
On Wed Mar 25 19:22:23 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote:
Another student I spoke to on IRC spoke of the possibility of
bootstrapping LLVM for Plan 9 on Linux and getting it to run natively.
That would give us a whole bunch of different compilers.
--dho
at the risk of being called
hola,
I think we usually ask for drivers because that's what keeps some
of us away of using Plan 9 natively or in new hardware, but I
also get Charles point, soo..
I'd really like to see p9p for windows and/or 9vx for windows as well.
for the first, I heard somewhere that a german fellow even
do we need drawterm for the iphone? is anyone going to use it?
I mean, it's a tiny screen, typing on handhelds sucks, plus is not
that there is killer app Plan 9 has that you _must_ run.
am I forgetting something obvious?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:57 PM, André Günther andr...@gmx.de wrote:
2009/3/25 Federico G. Benavento benave...@gmail.com:
do we need drawterm for the iphone? is anyone going to use it?
I mean, it's a tiny screen, typing on handhelds sucks, plus is not
that there is killer app Plan 9 has that you _must_ run.
am I forgetting something obvious?
Tiny screen,
ok, you can't compare porting inferno to the ds with drawterm for the iphone
drawterm is an app to get to a Plan 9 server, inferno is a self contained
operating system where you can get the advantage of writing your
own apps for it.
for this port to be useful you need 1) an iphone; 2) a cpu
On Wed Mar 25 16:39:16 EDT 2009, cmbran...@cox.net wrote:
Gogo reimplementation of cfront.
i'm pretty sure c++ has advanced to the point where
the cfront implementation technique is unworkable.
The Comeau C++ compiler [1] uses the cfront technique, doesn't it? It is
supposed to be
One nice thing about drawterm is it lets you export the iphone's
interfaces to Plan 9 -- that could lead to much more interesting
possibilities beyond typing at the shell. Probably a better approach
would be to look at providing an octopus client for iPhone though...
-eric
On Wed, Mar
one problem with the iPhone is that you can't run third-party apps in
the background. that pretty much kills drawterm dead.
Wait, why?
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 25, 2009, at 8:02 PM, andrey mirtchovski
mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:
one problem with the iPhone is that you can't run third-party apps in
the background. that pretty much kills drawterm dead.
Erik Quanstrom wrote:
On Wed Mar 25 16:39:16 EDT 2009, cmbran...@cox.net wrote:
The Comeau C++ compiler [1] uses the cfront technique, doesn't it? It is
supposed to be very standards-compliant.
[1] http://www.comeaucomputing.com
where do they claim this? i see a claim that they
dropping the connection to the plan9 host every time you do something
else not a showstopper?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote:
Wait, why?
On 03/25/09 02:12 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote:
A modern cfront is nearly impossible. Templates make it hella-hard.
really? how is that?
Everything is possible. It is software, after all. But it is not
practical. The
original cfront was, to some extent, a cpp(1) on steroids. AFAIR, it
Guess it depends on how you are using it. Wonder if you could save
enough state to recover -- probably just Vnc at that point though.
Would octopus have the same problem or would Op help solve the state
problem?
-eric
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 25, 2009, at 8:11 PM, andrey
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:21:12PM -0500, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
Guess it depends on how you are using it. Wonder if you could save
enough state to recover -- probably just Vnc at that point though.
Would octopus have the same problem or would Op help solve the state
problem?
2009/3/25 Federico G. Benavento benave...@gmail.com:
[snip]
As for applications for Plan 9, the ones we need (read to cope with
the rest of the world) are too big for a soc project, so even if I don't
like gcc, a port would help on this matter.
Yes and no. As long as there are reasonable
A cfront-ish approach to templates leads to hellish duplication of
template-generated code in each module, and thence to even worse code
bloat. Of course, my understanding of what's possible in a cfront
translation is perhaps (probably) naive.
Paul
On 25-Mar-09, at 2:12 PM, Charles
On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Paul Lalonde wrote:
A cfront-ish approach to templates leads to hellish duplication of
template-generated code in each module, and thence to even worse
code bloat.
That's not the case, really. The compiler (well, at least the
conventional one, not the one like
2009/3/25 andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com:
there are a couple of other problems that I see with dt on the iPhone:
- platform: google may be much more interested in seeing apps for the
G-phone than they are for the rival (but then, a g-phone version may
be much easier to do, and not
I'd like to note again that I was kidding about cfront _
2009/3/25 Paul Lalonde plalo...@telus.net:
A cfront-ish approach to templates leads to hellish duplication of
template-generated code in each module, and thence to even worse code bloat.
Of course, my understanding of what's possible in
On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Chris Brannon wrote:
Erik Quanstrom wrote:
On Wed Mar 25 16:39:16 EDT 2009, cmbran...@cox.net wrote:
The Comeau C++ compiler [1] uses the cfront technique, doesn't
it? It is
supposed to be very standards-compliant.
[1] http://www.comeaucomputing.com
where do
2009/3/25 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com:
On Wed Mar 25 19:22:23 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote:
Another student I spoke to on IRC spoke of the possibility of
bootstrapping LLVM for Plan 9 on Linux and getting it to run natively.
That would give us a whole bunch of different
Killed. From the license agreement for iPhone developers (which
requires a free Apple Developer Connection account to view; sorry):
3.3.3 Without Apple’s prior written approval, an Application may not
provide, unlock or enable a enable additional features or
functionality through
On Mar 25, 2009, at 4:26 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
On Wed Mar 25 19:22:23 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote:
Another student I spoke to on IRC spoke of the possibility of
bootstrapping LLVM for Plan 9 on Linux and getting it to run
natively.
That would give us a whole bunch of different
I have the developer kit, I'd be willing to submit the resulting app
for free distro. That's at least one less barrier.
-eric
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 25, 2009, at 8:31 PM, andrey mirtchovski
mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:
there are a couple of other problems that I see with dt on
If this were true there would be no vnc for iPhone, and there is. If
vnc is okay, drawterm or octopus would be too.
-eric
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 25, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Pietro Gagliardi pietr...@mac.com wrote:
Killed. From the license agreement for iPhone developers (which
requires
Also, figuring out how multitouch works with plan 9 would be valuable
in itself -- although admitadly could be done without an iPhone.
-eric
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 25, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Pietro Gagliardi pietr...@mac.com wrote:
Killed. From the license agreement for iPhone developers
i think the drawterm port would be interesting, but how to deal with
the mismatch between the touch and 3-button-mouse interfaces seems
like a big issue. i don't yet have an iPhone or iPod Touch, but for
me, drawterm would push me over for the later.
for André (or anyone with similar interests),
Also, we obviously cannot use rio, unless we greatly restrict the
user's visibility. Unless we provide zooming?
Maybe a text-based environment that runs exclusively off rc, sam,
acme, etc. with the standard keyboard at the bottom:
Exitdrawterm Commands
I think rio is probably not useful, but a purely text based
environtment isn't interesting either...
-eric
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 25, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Pietro Gagliardi pietr...@mac.com wrote:
Also, we obviously cannot use rio, unless we greatly restrict the
user's visibility.
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:25:07 CDT Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, figuring out how multitouch works with plan 9 would be valuable
in itself -- although admitadly could be done without an iPhone.
Exactly what I was thinking while reading this thread! An
intuitive multitouch
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote:
I think rio is probably not useful, but a purely text based environtment
isn't interesting either...
The only thing I could see anyone using this for is if they wrote an
iPhone-tailored UI for controlling...
A text based environment isn't that interesting, but a 9p transport
that allows the end user to cache and store files on the device to be
reviewed through currently provided renderers/decoders (pdf, jpeg,
tiff, myriad of audio formats, html/xml) would be ideal. Given that
we're starting
iJuke ;-)
On 25-Mar-09, at 8:24 PM, Tom Lieber wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com
wrote:
I think rio is probably not useful, but a purely text based
environtment
isn't interesting either...
The only thing I could see anyone using this for is if
my questions were more about the real usage of iphone's dt
my short sighted vision of the gsoc is this, I didn't use any
of the stuff that gsoc 2007 got us, though I recognize the
inferno ds port.
but for the rest, it might be interesting, but is someone
using that stuff?
iphone's drawterm sounds
ok, you can't compare porting inferno to the ds with drawterm for the iphone
drawterm is an app to get to a Plan 9 server, inferno is a self contained
operating system where you can get the advantage of writing your
own apps for it.
Except that drawterm ends up being a mini-Plan 9
I think the gist behind LLVM is that compilers can target it as a
machine type, and it is able to create native binaries for its own
supported machine type for anything that can run on it. So any
compiler that can target LLVM would be able to target Plan 9. (Which
is several of them)
at what
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