On 8 September 2013 00:47, Matthew Veety wrote:
> the fact that its secret
It isn't really secret. We went back more than a few steps earlier in the
year, which is one reason it would
not be useful at all in its current state. At the moment, it is not, by any
means, a series of incremental impr
You have to look on the bright side here guys: the fact that its secret makes
it more tantalizing, and it will be cooler when released. It's like presents.
Veety
On 7 September 2013 14:56, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote:
> Let's quote something from a recent nix paper:
>
> "We are grateful to Charles Forsyth for his advice regarding this
> work, and to the new Plan 9 secret society."
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE
FWIW, I feel the same way as Steve. I only release code that I feel is
going to be useful to others. Sometimes I am simply experimenting and
the code isn't worth releasing.
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
> I think its almost ready at least to
> try and take a look,
> There's a great difference between accusing anyone of greed and
> treating greed as a beneficial virtue. At least, in my book, there
> is.
... or a destructive vice, that's the subject being discussed: not who is
greedy or otherwise.
++L
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote:
> > we got not a single cent for nix. As far as lsub is concerned,
> > it's been a free time effort.
>
> You are seriously misrepresenting nix and/or yourself.
>
> From http://lsub.org:
> "Nix is joint work of Laboratorio de Sistemas with B
> One of Life's great lessons for me has been those who most loudly accuse
> others of greed are themselves the most greedy. No position here is free
> of greed, no side in any conflict ever is, and that renders discussion
> of greed weak and potentially harmful.
Sorry, can't resist.
There's a gr
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:28 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> *WOOSH*.
>
> this is an obvious joke. see e.g. http://9fans.net/archive/2006/06/18
>
> either that or you're just trolling.
>
>
First secret societies, then private jokes? When are all these insults
going to end??? :)
Lucho
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 06:40:48PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> but anything that rewards greed ought to be treated, at minimum, with
> great suspicion, not with veneration.
>
This is exactly what I say: the user's greed wanting something for
nothing (neither money, nor time given, nor ef
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013, at 05:40 PM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> Of course, the number of different issues that need to be taken into
> account is much greater than the single item discussed here, but
> anything that rewards greed ought to be treated, at minimum, with
> great suspicion, not with ven
> You'd be wrong.
> I'm just playing :)
>
> But thanks for the compliment.
Glad to be wrong, looking forward to the various outcomes (and
documentation!).
++L
> The "gratis" software has not been "gratis" for the ones who have
> written it. It took time. The bulk of the difference is here.
Sure, but we're still applying a modern metric to something that spans
history (intellect, whatever that is).
The fact that sales and marketing people make more mone
I will, thanks to all of you for your replies.
Yes, I think that provided what canvas can do, doing something like
an omero viewer should be both fast to write and efficient when running.
Now that I see that drawterms are around the corner, perhaps here already,
I will play with more omero like i
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote:
> Everything is developed in secret without the involvment of any
> potential parties. Sure, everybody has the right to work in any way they
> like (except when the work is paid by public money), but you reap what
> youb sow. The lack of publ
> [...] Nix is
> not a personal project. It's listed right there on the lsub page
one thing seems to be missed is that nix is the name for at least
two independent projects.
a brief history. this is the best of my understanding. please
correct me if i haven't credited folks properly. i am sure
that's nice, thanks.
I was thinking on using a more abstract interface because, for example,
the canvas has everything needed to provide text frames for something like
acme, and you could write it in go and then make it something that could be
interfaced to programs running on 9.
But a raw 9p devd
You may be interested in what David Hoskin is doing for one of our
GSoC projects:
https://bitbucket.org/dhoskin/9webdraw
He's been producing weekly status updates, which you can follow
along with over on the plan9-gsoc google group:
http://groups.google.com/group/plan9-gsoc
It's no
On Sat Sep 7 11:07:06 EDT 2013, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
> why not this?
>
> + if(term == '}' && c == '{')
> + depth++;
this is a better idea, since it would properly deal with
z=`{x=y {echo $x}}
- erik
> I'm playing a bit with the html5 canvas, js, and go servers, and I'm
> thinking it would be quite easy to build a devdraw server (an omero like
> server would be even easier) so that you only have to run your go program
> and it would open a browser as your devdraw device.
>
> Just wondering, a
thanks to you both.
http://github.com/dexen/plan9port-custom/commit/6a67d4d8c97bc682737ae1cf59544fb4c969a105.patch
cinap's version also supports rc block statements; tested with:
MKSHELL = rc
foo = `{ echo aaa; { date; }; pwd; }
bar = `{ echo zzz `{ date } zzz }
test:VQ:
echo foo $foo
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 05:48:18PM +0200, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
there has been some work on this here. unfortunately not all devdraw
messages are implemented, so graphics does not fully work.
https://github.com/aiju/jsdrawterm
i run a copy on http://9.offblast.org/
nick
> Hi,
>
> I'm
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 05:46:24PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> > (Communism: give me your watch and, in fair exchange, I will tell you
> > what time it is.)
>
> The misunderstanding here is that conventional ownership does not
> apply to intellectual "property";
The algorithms are "intel
You'd be wrong.
I'm just playing :)
But thanks for the compliment.
On Sep 7, 2013, at 5:54 PM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>> Just wondering, anyone playing with such a beast?
>
> I bet you're streets ahead of anyone else on this one!
>
> ++L
>
> Just wondering, anyone playing with such a beast?
I bet you're streets ahead of anyone else on this one!
++L
Hi,
I'm playing a bit with the html5 canvas, js, and go servers, and I'm
thinking it would be quite easy to build a devdraw server (an omero like
server would be even easier) so that you only have to run your go program
and it would open a browser as your devdraw device.
Just wondering, anyone p
> (Communism: give me your watch and, in fair exchange, I will tell you
> what time it is.)
The misunderstanding here is that conventional ownership does not
apply to intellectual "property"; in fact, it is not "property" at all
and we should stop treating it as if it was.
It is even harder to do
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 10:58:08AM -0400, Anthony Sorace wrote:
>
> Someone tell me how to get money for working on nix and this thread
> becomes useful.
>
I guess that the answer is: provide your own.
This is the GPL plague: saying to developers that as long as they
provide gratis something _
why not this?
+ if(term == '}' && c == '{')
+ depth++;
--
cinap
Perhaps by being qualified and having a substantial body of published
research and teaching under your belt.
Or out-source it.
brucee
On 8 September 2013 00:58, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> >> I believe the rules are different when the work is research, sponsored
> >> by public money. People are g
>> I believe the rules are different when the work is research, sponsored
>> by public money. People are getting research grants to work on nix.
>
> who is getting grants to work on nix?
And how do I get in on that?
Someone tell me how to get money for working on nix and this thread
becomes usef
Stop whining. If you want something done your way, do it yourself, or pay
somebody to do it.
If you think Nemo and his group (or anybody else) are not following the
grants' rules, complain to the funding organizations. I don't remember
seeing any funding coming with "researchers have to publish th
On 09/07/2013 03:48 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
I have consolidated into my cmdline.txt it reads:
readparts=1 nvram=#S/sdM0/nvram bootargs=local!#S/sdM0/fossil
nobootprompt=local kbargs=-b ipconfig=
I hope this is actually all on one line (the pi boot firmware only reads
the first line of cmdline.
> we got not a single cent for nix. As far as lsub is concerned,
> it's been a free time effort.
You are seriously misrepresenting nix and/or yourself.
>From http://lsub.org:
"Nix is joint work of Laboratorio de Sistemas with Bell Laboratories,
Sandia National Labs, and Vitanuova."
Lsub is p
On Sat Sep 7 04:23:05 EDT 2013, f.psi...@gmx.de wrote:
> I don't think that the behavior is really unexpected ... the `{...} part
> is interpreted by mk, but not the text between the braces. You probably
> need to quote it if it contains braces itself.
>
after looking at the code, it appears to
Not sure I believe you. Also. Stephen Jones runs v10 in Seattle. You may be
able to bribe him.
The manifest on the door of my vax may also help.
Attn:
G.R.Emlin
Room 2C501
600 Mountain Ave
Murray Hill, NJ 07974
You'll also need a mux terminal or 16. I have a Blit and a 5630. Stephen
has 5620s.
Quoting Bruce Ellis :
I'm not sure how to negotiate this. Tiger says:
1) Go back to 1988.
2) Apply for a license.
3) Run it/enjoy it.
4) Stop being a dick
brucee
I agree to these terms. As soon as I can go back to 1988, I'll stop
being a dick.
khm
I'm not sure how to negotiate this. Tiger says:
1) Go back to 1988.
2) Apply for a license.
3) Run it/enjoy it.
4) Stop being a dick
brucee
On 7 September 2013 23:21, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> Quoting Bruce Ellis :
>
> I was disturbed by the claim that v10 had been lost because of bullshit,
>> b
Quoting Bruce Ellis :
I was disturbed by the claim that v10 had been lost because of bullshit,
but said nothing.
If indeed someone has lost their v10 I can replace it. If you are in
australia it's easy. Contact me with the details of your import license and
I will arrange for a copy on TK50 for
nice test case.
> % 8c x.c
> 8c 98: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x0 pc=0x0003712f
the reason "out of fixed registers" is not output is that Bprint
is used by diag. abort() does allow bio buffers to be dumped,
and doesn't seem useful.
here's the 9atom solution:
; 9diff txt.c
/n/sources/
erik quanstrom once said:
> since even ghostscript doesn't get into this state, i'd be interested
> in the line of code (and types of the variables) that hits this fatal
> condition.
I posted a small piece of code that triggers this on golang-dev.
Here it is:
% cat x.c
unsigned long long x;
in
> I have consolidated into my cmdline.txt it reads:
> readparts=1 nvram=#S/sdM0/nvram bootargs=local!#S/sdM0/fossil
> nobootprompt=local kbargs=-b ipconfig=
I hope this is actually all on one line (the pi boot firmware only reads
the first line of cmdline.txt).
You can try bypassing dhcp and con
I don't think that the behavior is really unexpected ... the `{...} part
is interpreted by mk, but not the text between the braces. You probably
need to quote it if it contains braces itself.
Am 06.09.2013 13:03, schrieb dexen deVries:
> in p9p mk, this works as expected:
> foo = `{echo bar}
>
>
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