Re: [9fans] Factotum vs SASL

2014-11-18 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
to do a comparative analysis of the functions it makes sense to know one side very well. i found it easier to understand factotum and compare the others to factotum. to me SASL is more like the functions of factotum's rpc and proto files. Window's Local Security Authority (LSA) combined with

Re: [9fans] github.com/9fans + plan9port on git

2014-11-18 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Jeff Sickel j...@corpus-callosum.com: written in Go, and not gimmicky with cartoon advertising everywhere. So, written in Go, but unlike Go? So, written for Plan 9, but unlike Plan 9? (remember Glenda?)

Re: [9fans] github.com/9fans + plan9port on git

2014-11-18 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
http://ipn.caerwyn.com/2008/03/lab-85-stowage.html On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:16 PM, minux minux...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 9:29 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: I don't know about Go (the Go guys are probably already suffering from a massive VCS fatigue), but if you want

Re: [9fans] github.com/9fans + plan9port on git

2014-11-18 Thread Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
I see this gitfs implementation, last checkin was years ago. https://github.com/manzur/gitfs On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: http://ipn.caerwyn.com/2008/03/lab-85-stowage.html On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:16 PM, minux minux...@gmail.com

[9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
i have been trying to get plan9 running on my latest and greatest hp-aio. failed, even while trying out 9front. would there be some way to determine an ideal configuration for a machine to used solely for plan9 experimentation? also, based on what ever i have read, plan9 seems most at home with a

Re: [9fans] github.com/9fans + plan9port on git

2014-11-18 Thread Joseph Stewart
(replying to myself... somehow I missed linuxemu... sorry for the noise Russ) On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Joseph Stewart joseph.stew...@gmail.com wrote: Bear with me as I dream about work someone smarter than me does :P Is there any prior art on using plan9 or Inferno as a hypervisor?

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread dante
Raspberry Pi with an Ethernet cable (unfortunately there's no wireless yet AFAIK). Both the Plan9 and the 9Front file systems have their issues, though, so back up periodically: - Plan9: don't enable periodic snapshots in Fossil to avoid it getting corrupt - 9Front: comes with the

[9fans] using plan9 as the only system!

2014-11-18 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
is there anyone using plan9 as their only system for development activities? while i do have a 'gui' based networked system (a google chromebook), it would be nice to immerse myself into the plan9 culture by using the 'os' for everything i need for software tinkering and development. thanks.

Re: [9fans] using plan9 as the only system!

2014-11-18 Thread Lee Fallat
The only development you could possibly do is anything with C...and a few scripting languages ported through APE. Otherwise, your best bet is to VNC to another computer running a more mainstream OS- but then you might as well just be running said OS. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Mayuresh

Re: [9fans] using plan9 as the only system!

2014-11-18 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
the only development i actually do wish to do is using c89. :) simplicity can be marvelously powerful. From 9fans-boun...@9fans.net Tue Nov 18 09:02:02 2014 X-Original-To: mayur...@devio.us Delivered-To: mayur...@devio.us X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devio.us Authentication-Results:

Re: [9fans] using plan9 as the only system!

2014-11-18 Thread Lee Fallat
In that case yes many people do C development on Plan 9. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Mayuresh Kathe mayur...@devio.us wrote: the only development i actually do wish to do is using c89. :) simplicity can be marvelously powerful. From 9fans-boun...@9fans.net Tue Nov 18 09:02:02 2014

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread dante
I'll test again and report if the issue is still there. On 18.11.2014 15:11, Richard Miller wrote: - Plan9: don't enable periodic snapshots in Fossil to avoid it getting corrupt I think that advice refers to a bug which was fixed in March 2012.

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting dante subscripti...@posteo.eu: - 9Front: comes with the experimental hjfs by default, which got corrupt sooner or later on my setup 9front defaults to cwfs64x, not hjfs. khm

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread dante
I don't think this applies to the Raspberry Pi. There is no installer, so the installer defaults are here irrelevant. For the Pi, a ready-to-boot SD image is provided. On 18.11.2014 16:42, Kurt H Maier wrote: Quoting dante subscripti...@posteo.eu: - 9Front: comes with the experimental hjfs by

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
If you must use a rpi, you should strive to use it as a terminal, and like every other Plan 9 terminal it should use the central file server without local storage. -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] using plan9 as the only system!

2014-11-18 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
and Go. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Lee Fallat ircsurfe...@gmail.com wrote: The only development you could possibly do is anything with C...and a few scripting languages ported through APE. Otherwise, your best bet is to VNC to another computer running a more mainstream OS- but then

Re: [9fans] using plan9 as the only system!

2014-11-18 Thread Lee Fallat
I think it's important to point out you can use the latest version of Go on Plan 9 (last time I heard), which makes it a very nice environment for Go developers. AFAIK though people just use plan9port to get Plan 9-like functionality (Acme usage, primarily). Personally I see no benefits using

Re: [9fans] using plan9 as the only system!

2014-11-18 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
i routinely struggle with javascript. my dev environment is Plan 9 and debugger is Chrome. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Lee Fallat ircsurfe...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's important to point out you can use the latest version of Go on Plan 9 (last time I heard), which makes it a very

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread Richard Miller
If you must use a rpi, you should strive to use it as a terminal, and like every other Plan 9 terminal it should use the central file server without local storage. That would be my advice too. As an experiment, I set up a 9picpu using the SD card as local storage, working mostly as a

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread Mats Olsson
Hi dante! I would appreciate it a lot if you could send the clone script that you used to clone the 9pi imate to a larger SD card. Thanks beforehand! Kind Regards, Mats 2014-11-18 21:29 GMT+01:00, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com: If you must use a rpi, you should strive to use it as a

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread dante
Hi Mats, I posted it before; unfortunately the archive doesn't save the attached files. Here is the original post: http://9fans.net/archive/2014/08/78. Please see the attachment for the script. Cheers, Dante On 18.11.2014 22:28, Mats Olsson wrote: Hi dante! I would appreciate it a lot if

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
i have two 9picpu's. they tftp-boot from the auth+fs. the SD is used for boot loading and the nvram partition. setting up the nvram without a console is tricky; i thought i'd mention it here in case others run into it. 1. using the existing 9pi SD image, edit config.txt and set 'kernel' to

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread Steve Simon
i've been contemplating making my auth server a 9picpu booting from local, but SD reliability is the drawback. I believe the pi will run with an external flash or hard drive, abet slowly and using a powered USB hub. you could boot the kernel from the sd card but mount the external device

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Nov 18 17:10:59 EST 2014, skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: i have two 9picpu's. they tftp-boot from the auth+fs. the SD is used for boot loading and the nvram partition. setting up the nvram without a console is tricky; i thought i'd mention it here in case others run into it. why not

Re: [9fans] using plan9 as the only system!

2014-11-18 Thread sl
The only development you could possibly do is anything with C...and a few scripting languages ported through APE. It's trivial to import file systems from non-Plan 9 systems and manipulate their files using standard Plan 9 tools. It's trivial to connect to non- Plan9 systems from Plan 9 using

Re: [9fans] using plan9 as the only system!

2014-11-18 Thread erik quanstrom
AFAIK though people just use plan9port to get Plan 9-like functionality (Acme usage, primarily). Personally I see no benefits using Plan 9 for development work unless you are developing for Plan 9. Yes, namespaces, 9p, and being more unix than unix is great (awesome really), but you cannot

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Nov 18 12:03:04 EST 2014, ara...@mgk.ro wrote: If you must use a rpi, you should strive to use it as a terminal, and like every other Plan 9 terminal it should use the central file server without local storage. +1. if i understand correctly, the labs used physical security for the

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread lucio
i think reality booges things up, and it doesn't really work out. More specifically, an auth server can provide very tight security, but where such is not needed, it is too tempting to run services on it as it is the most convenient place to do it from. Once you have enough power behind the

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
i'm a bit paranoid about ether frames jumping the switch somehow, but i guess that's as likely as local snooping while tftping the boot image that has the nvram with creds. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:57 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Tue Nov 18 17:10:59 EST 2014,

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread lucio
i'm a bit paranoid about ether frames jumping the switch somehow, but i guess that's as likely as local snooping while tftping the boot image that has the nvram with creds. Well, if you're paranoid, then being able to write arbitrary data to the console is more serious than intercepting a