Re: [9fans] openat()

2024-04-06 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
Depending on the implementation of the file system, openat vs open can be more efficient if there’s a lot of metadata locking for file creation.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 6, 2024, at 1:36 PM, ron minnich wrote:openat gives you the effect of 'cd path; open file' without having to cd. I don't see a

Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks

2024-01-24 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
Or you could just run 9front?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 24, 2024, at 10:48 AM, alex...@posteo.de wrote: Hello everyone,I would like to know which hardware (apart from the hardware listed here: https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Supported_PC_hardware/index.html) is supported by Plan 9. Is there any

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

2022-02-01 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
I use a big heavy trackball. Kensington pro trackball is pricey but you get four buttons and a scroll ring. Got my first one well over 10 years ago and it’s still my daily driver. I have a second wireless one on a Mac. The wired one is better overall if you can get them. The wireless one can

Re: [9fans] licence question

2022-02-01 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
> On Jan 29, 2022, at 8:03 AM, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > > And I believe that the reason why NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD are not as wide > spread as Linux was the lack of a compiler suite conforming to the BSD license For some people it’s because they didn’t have a math

Re: [9fans] Breaking up long lines in sam into more manageable ones

2021-08-26 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
Sent from my iPad > On Aug 26, 2021, at 12:01 PM, fwrm via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > >  >> On Wednesday, 25 August 2021, at 9:31 PM, David Leimbach wrote: >> Try in the tagline >> Edit ,|fold -s -w80 >> Highlight it and middle click it. >

Re: [9fans] Breaking up long lines in sam into more manageable ones

2021-08-25 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
Try in the tagline Edit ,|fold -s -w80 Highlight it and middle click it. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 25, 2021, at 8:20 AM, revcomni...@gmail.com wrote: > >  > I would like to be able to break up long lines in sam in a way similar to the > way I break them up in ed. For ed, I rely on the

Re: [9fans] fork of a fork of Inferno that runs on Mac OS amd64

2021-07-30 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
No problem! It seems acme does work ok, but it uses XQuartz. It’s been so long since I’ve used inferno I’ve forgotten how to get started! Dave > On Jul 30, 2021, at 12:39 PM, Joseph Stewart wrote: > > Good job friend. Thanks for doing this. > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 9:26 AM leimy2k via

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-23 Thread David Leimbach
Yup Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote: It's pointless to complain about the size of hello world. It's not a real program. In Go's case it's larger than a C binary because the libraries (and the presence of a runtime) are capable of much more

Re: [9fans] iwp9 8e 31-oct — 2-nov 2013

2013-03-02 Thread David Leimbach
Where? How? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:23 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: this is your monthly iwp9 spam! it's not too early to register. i'll try to get a special iwp9 rate this week. - erik

Re: [9fans] new fork?

2013-02-27 Thread David Leimbach
I'd have called it Plan A. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: http://plan10.tumblr.com/

Re: [9fans] new fork?

2013-02-27 Thread David Leimbach
There is/was a Plan B. Some of the ideas went into Octopus I think... On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/2/27 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com: I'd have called it Plan A. [Insert horrific Plan B joke here.] On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Re: [9fans] arcnet

2013-02-21 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:16 AM, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 February 2013 12:54, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: they say it's pretty deterministic. good read from wikipedia. I was disappointed to discover that ARCNET did not, in fact, send

Re: [9fans] c compiler bug

2013-02-21 Thread David Leimbach
Can I run it on my iPhone? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2013, at 11:58 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: good day. is this the p9p on osx help forum?

Re: [9fans] meet native port of rdesktop 1.6

2013-02-08 Thread David Leimbach
Very cool! On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Yaroslav yari...@gmail.com wrote: /n/sources/contrib/yk/rdesktop It supports RGB16 server output only and doesn't implement graphic orders beyond bitmap update. Tested against XP and servers 2003, 2008, 2012. -- - Yaroslav Kolomiyets

[9fans] Fwd:

2013-01-15 Thread David Leimbach
http://fiorentinix.altervista.org/ajbev3.php

Re: [9fans] Fwd:

2013-01-15 Thread David Leimbach
This is not from me. I just received a bunch of mail from myself on a few email accounts at about this time. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2013, at 4:17 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: http://fiorentinix.altervista.org/ajbev3.php

Re: [9fans] Fwd:

2013-01-15 Thread David Leimbach
It just occurred to me this could be the backup software I use on my Mac that runs overnight Its java based client may have done some bad things Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2013, at 4:17 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: http://fiorentinix.altervista.org/ajbev3.php

Re: [9fans] Fwd:

2013-01-15 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2013, at 6:17 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:17 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: http://fiorentinix.altervista.org/ajbev3.php so, what is that place? ron No idea

Re: [9fans] these are release of 9front?

2013-01-08 Thread David Leimbach
I think you guys should keep doing what you do. Different people have different reasons and motivations for what they do. These do not always line up well to form a totally free-from-fragmentation community. That we all still share 9fans is a good way to keep up with the different efforts

Re: [9fans] 9fans Digest, Vol 103, Issue 57

2012-11-28 Thread David Leimbach
It's the dual of a nap, which probably means to be awake. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: ken has left the building -- conap Who is this conap, and what have you done with cinap? -- Veety

Re: [9fans] C++

2012-11-27 Thread David Leimbach
Haskell On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Eugene Gorodinsky e.gorodin...@gmail.comwrote: Yay! A C++ vs the world flamewar! Again. Let me just point out that writing a game engine consists of a little bit more than just calls to opengl. Game engine programmers tend to embed scripting

Re: [9fans] C++

2012-11-24 Thread David Leimbach
On Nov 23, 2012 6:03 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: Are operating systems written in C for it's technical merits or because it is industry standard practice? Neither: pragmatism. The language and Unix grew up together, teaching each other many tricks. ++L And they are not all written

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-24 Thread David Leimbach
On Nov 22, 2012 8:31 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: it's an Xbox game. and yes, you need it ;) Xbox-360? Surely it runs IBM code? Yes. IBM power pc :-) ++L

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-22 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 09:56:33AM -0500, Calvin Morrison wrote: On 19 November 2012 04:59, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Isn't all C code valid C++? problem solved. As of c99, they have diverged. They weren't

Re: [9fans] caveat... optimizer? the `zero and forget' thread on HN

2012-10-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Mon Oct 29 19:06:41 EDT 2012, ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:47:02 - Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: He can fool it once, but can he fool it twice? Can he recompile?

Re: [9fans] I need some EDID

2012-10-23 Thread David Leimbach
Big Damn HP monitor (ZR30w) Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2560 x 1600, maximum 8192 x 8192 VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) Identifier: 0x41 Timestamp: 19460 Subpixel: unknown Clones: CRTCs: 0 1 Transform: 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00

Re: [9fans] Uriel

2012-10-14 Thread David Leimbach
Sorry to hear this. On Sunday, October 14, 2012, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: I'll second that. Made for many an interesting conversation! RIP -Ben From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net javascript:; [9fans-boun...@9fans.netjavascript:;] on behalf of Devon

Re: [9fans] finally success with pentium d dualcore D945PLrn board

2012-08-28 Thread David Leimbach
On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, wrote: this machine works now in mp mode (after 4 years) with 9front's acpi implementation. http://9fans.net/archive/2008/02/671 -- cinap Nice!

Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-26 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:10 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Thu Jul 26 08:41:56 EDT 2012, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: And reserve same amount in $5K to have 140 ethernet ports switch ;) No need for ethernet - just link boards in a mesh using gpio pins. And yes, I am

Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-26 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:16 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote: I liked it for the same reason I liked those Cell processors - I'm weird. a lot of people really hated it because it killed alpha... Yes that was very sad. I liked Alpha too, but business reasons caused it

Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-26 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:57 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 01:04:57PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: On Thu Jul 26 11:18:04 EDT 2012, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: I liked it for the same reason I liked those Cell processors - I'm weird. a lot of people

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 technical docs and man pages - licensed or public domain?

2012-07-25 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Andy Elvey andy.el...@paradise.net.nzwrote: On 25/07/12 16:06, John Floren wrote: (snip) Just write the code, nobody cares. The manual pages define an interface, and you're going to implement it. The manual pages are copyrighted, sure, because they're

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-12 Thread David Leimbach
On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, Lluís Batlle i Rossell wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 01:12:55AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: Evaluations of the Sheevaplug in particular revealed it tended to overheat badly if you put any significant load on the networking components. Heating problems combined

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-10 Thread David Leimbach
On Friday, June 8, 2012, erik quanstrom wrote: In fact, the people who will eat the lunch of these people wrangling unstructured data, are the ones that figure out how to structure the data in a way that it's not a problem anymore. i don't know what you're saying here. And that is

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 6:58 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: I see your point, I guess I can accept that. I still object to the idea of a whole other suite of programs just to run within the editor, but I guess it's immaterial whether the window system is part of the editor

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Friday, June 8, 2012, Gorka Guardiola wrote: Yes, which makes one wonder about type systems in programming languages and if they're any better than documented conventions of I/O. (i think they may not be, but they serve some documentation purposes all their own) I think type

Re: [9fans] has anyone wished for

2012-06-05 Thread David Leimbach
Parts of the side. But the ship has a freaking rail gun! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt_class_destroyer On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 4, 2012, at 12:31 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: then the front falls off. -- cinap And

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert

2012-05-31 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.comwrote: The curious Z spelling was to avoid using a trademarked word in a generic sense. But I believe Xerox lost that ability, as their name became a verb in the common vernacular. At least I believe I heard that in a

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert

2012-05-31 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:50 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote: Xerox seems to have missed losing their trademark [1]. There's a lawsuit filed about Google's trademarked name in arizona [2]. A list of genericized trademarks is available at [3]. Ahh, litigation... Ah well,

Re: [9fans] new pc bootstraps

2012-05-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Stephen Wiley swwi...@gmail.com wrote: On May 10, 2012, at 7:30 PM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: New PC bootstraps and manual pages will be arriving on sources soon. Highlights include amd64 booting, using kernel device drivers, better CD booting,

Re: [9fans] new arm port: teg2

2012-05-01 Thread David Leimbach
Fantastic! On Tuesday, May 1, 2012, wrote: After you pull, you should see a new directory, /sys/src/9/teg2. From the _announce file: This is a preliminary Plan 9 port to the Compulab Trimslice, containing a Tegra 2 SoC: a dual-core, (truly) dual-issue 1GHz Cortex-A9 v7a-architecture ARM

Re: [9fans] Mercurial port is official

2012-04-27 Thread David Leimbach
This is truly excellent. Now to get Python to work out of the box on Plan 9. Dave On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.comwrote: All, I'm happy to report that the official Mecurial port is complete and has been accepted upstream. Starting with version 2.2,

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

2012-04-25 Thread David Leimbach
On Monday, April 23, 2012, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: I haven't tried genning up a CPU kernel with the new factotum yet. Sorry, I meant to say with Richard's patched original factotum. Patching no longer necessary - it's now in the standard auth/factotum on sources.

Re: [9fans] nix at lsub

2012-04-15 Thread David Leimbach
Awesome! On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Nemo wrote: Hi, just FYI, http://lsub.org/ls/nix.html has links and pointers for anyone to get the distribution and updates and/or send changes. hth

Re: [9fans] SSHv2 and scp

2012-04-03 Thread David Leimbach
On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, Lucio De Re wrote: I have fixed various bugs in ssh2; they'll be in the ssh2 on sources once it's all shaken down. Wow! ++L Makes me want fire my guru plug back up

[9fans] Plan 9 on ESX?

2012-03-27 Thread David Leimbach
Anyone doing this? I've had a crazy, no ZANY, notion of running ESX as my host OS, then spinning up all the various windows, freebsd, or Plan 9's that I need as necessary on my work workstation. Dave

Re: [9fans] nice terminal...

2012-03-20 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: My delivery note says May You're lucky. I'm on the waiting list to be allowed onto the pre-order queue. Luxury! There were four of us living in a brown paper bag in a septic tank... (sorry couldn't resist)

Re: [9fans] Some things never change

2012-02-24 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: pfft. we've always had find. we've just called it du. It's funny, since I learned how to do that via 9fans, I still do it that way on

Re: [9fans] KerTeX: e-TeX, CWEB and packaging!

2012-01-02 Thread David Leimbach
+1 On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:41 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Voting Thierry for #1 poster of 2012 [so far] Looking forward to trying the new release! John On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 3:02 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: Hello, A supplementary note for Plan9 users before

Re: [9fans] FYI: Chibi-scheme on plan9

2011-12-02 Thread David Leimbach
I think this is the reference implementation for r7rs as well isn't it? On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: Alex Shinn's Chibi-scheme is a r7rs small language compatible Scheme. It can be used standalone for scripting or as a library to provide an extension

Re: [9fans] all you yacc experts

2011-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
Pretty cool! On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Anthony Martin al...@pbrane.org wrote: Attached is a modified version of p9p yacc that supports the Go grammar. I'll be sending a version of Plan 9 yacc later today. The following is a description of the changes. 1. The %error-verbose

Re: [9fans] cocoa devdraw

2011-09-26 Thread David Leimbach
Ucontext stuff was being deprecated in Leopard was my understanding and that support for it would be shoddy. Time to roll our own? Didn't you already do this? Thanks also to David! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: Thanks to heroic effort by

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 is dead

2011-09-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jack Norton j...@0x6a.com wrote: Christoph Lohmann wrote: Hello, now that an academic non-polished Plan 9 remake with idiotic dependencies and the fun OS, which has its only goal to add political jokes, are taking all the pace, I hereby declare, that Plan

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-14 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote: add: [ $SYSNAME != Darwin ] || ranlib $2 to the bottom of $PLAN9/bin/9ar then cd src/cmd/devdraw mk cocoa cp cocoa $PLAN9/bin/devdraw now you're as far as I got :) i'm trying to figure out why 'colors'

Re: [9fans] NIX 64-bit kernel is available

2011-09-14 Thread David Leimbach
Great set of ideas here! On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:41 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: We'd like to announce the availability of NIX, a 64-bit Plan 9 kernel with some new ideas. The full set of changes will be covered at IWP9. For now, here are some highlights. - 2 MB PTEs. 4096

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-14 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:31 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:28 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: add: [ $SYSNAME != Darwin ] || ranlib $2

Re: [9fans] NIX 64-bit kernel is available

2011-09-14 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:10 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: So you use both 2MB and 1GB PTEs? Yes. nemo had some extremely clever ideas and hence we can use them (but not in the same segment). Tubes in

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-13 Thread David Leimbach
Thanks for all of your work on this! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:59 AM, david jeannot djeanno...@gmail.com wrote: So I will send my code in the next few days, unless there is a need. I'm 9 days late, but here it is: the Cocoa version of Devdraw. I just submitted it to Codereview:

Re: [9fans] 9ttp

2011-09-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:51 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: HTTP is technically different and not easily comparable to 9p. HTTP is not a good example of how to do things, but over high-latency links 9p is much slower for getting files. HTTP tries to be stateless as well. Hence REST.

Re: [9fans] 9ttp

2011-09-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:04 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday 08 of September 2011 14:54:40 erik quanstrom wrote: On Thu Sep 8 04:52:08 EDT 2011, 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: HTTP is technically different and not easily comparable to 9p. HTTP is not a good

Re: [9fans] 9ttp

2011-09-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:59 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: I do not think it is acceptable to have to fork repeatedly merely to efficiently read a file. Also, as far as I can tell, exactly one program (fcp)

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-06 Thread David Leimbach
YES! This is great. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: David's new Cocoa devdraw is in the plan9port tree now, but not built by default. There are still some rough edges to work out. If you want to play and maybe find and fix bugs, you can use cd

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-06 Thread David Leimbach
It built ok here, but sam, and acme aren't doing anything terribly interesting (well maybe it is interesting, but they're crashing, presumably logging something to somewhere interesting). I'll keep poking when I'm not at work later. Dave On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Jeff Sickel

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-06 Thread David Leimbach
You have to then rebuild everything. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Latchesar Ionkov lu...@ionkov.net wrote: I get the same errors. Thanks, Lucho On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote: Try adding # HA HA HA. Apple broke things again. [ $SYSNAME

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-06 Thread David Leimbach
I'm using 4.1 currently, will try updating. Everything builds fine, but some stuff doesn't run. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: I am using Xcode 4.2 on Lion without problems. Can you try updating to the newer Xcode? Russ

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-06 Thread David Leimbach
4.1 is the latest release of Xcode by the way. 4.2 is for Apple devs who pay (according to the site anyway). Dave On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:41 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using 4.1 currently, will try updating. Everything builds fine, but some stuff doesn't run

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-08-25 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:33 AM, david jeannot djeanno...@gmail.comwrote: It is possible that we just need to tweak the headers to get Carbon to build again, but Cocoa is obviously the right long term plan. I have a working Cocoa version of Devdraw for OS X Lion: I'm using it with Acme

Re: [9fans] use Go rewrite plan 9

2011-08-20 Thread David Leimbach
Plan9 is the best idea I've seen never widely executed. Some people in the know get it, but with the way the web and the cloud is turning out, well it just makes a ton of sense to me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2011, at 12:45 AM, Yousong Zhou yszhou4t...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. The other

Re: [9fans] Fossil fs recovery

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
Is it obvious enough from the man pages that this wouldn't be too useful to have on the Plan 9 wiki? I'm a big believer in the wiki, but not when it pushes one to avoid reading the authoritative documentation of the man pages. Dave On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:11 AM, David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:15 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: OK, there is a go version that lucho wrote: https://code.google.com/p/govt/ Hooray for government! Oh, wait...

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:49 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.comwrote: Note a difference between lucho and me: I ignore vtsync (I always sync on writes) and he properly pays attention to it. Question for the student: which one is better? Why? question cannot be answered due to

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Fazlul Shahriar fshahr...@gmail.comwrote: Is it goinstallable? If so, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I very rarely use any 3rd party Go code but my own :-). goinstall govt.googlecode.com/hg/vt/vtclnt goinstall govt.googlecode.com/hg/vt/vtsrv Works

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
got it... Seems to build fine now. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:54 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: Lucho is always up to date, better do a pull for go ron

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-10 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: Isn't p9p venti good enough? Nope. It only works where p9p works. I want code that will compile on any POSIX-compliant host. Isn't p9p POSIX enough? Confused I am, but

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-08-07 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:25 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I was with you till the very easy part. Been following the updates today and noted that (earlier) the portion of INSTALL that detects the architecture

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-08-02 Thread David Leimbach
I was with you till the very easy part. Been following the updates today and noted that (earlier) the portion of INSTALL that detects the architecture on Darwin was not working. Had a patch for that and regrettably blew it away (accident), then had to turn my attention to something else. May

[9fans] Maybe a weird Plan 9 project.

2011-07-29 Thread David Leimbach
I was outside watering plants this morning that seem to be proof of my not-so-green thumb I have for gardening and was thinking of an interesting home-automation use for Plan 9. What I'd like to do is get the following: 1. Moisture sensor I can embed in some potted plant soil, and read from Plan

Re: [9fans] Maybe a weird Plan 9 project.

2011-07-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:48 AM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:44:09 -0700, David Leimbach wrote: I was outside watering plants this morning that seem to be proof of my not-so-green thumb I have for gardening and was thinking of an interesting home-automation use

Re: [9fans] Maybe a weird Plan 9 project.

2011-07-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't get the point of plan9 here. Learning C should be a matter of hours for such an unspoiled mind, so I'd say go with bare hardware. Consider that I may want to flesh out interfaces to this system later. I could also do

Re: [9fans] Maybe a weird Plan 9 project.

2011-07-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:08 PM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:22:55 -0700, David Leimbach wrote: Consider that I may want to flesh out interfaces to this system later. I could also do this in Linux, or FreeBSD or even Windows, but why not on Plan 9? It would also

Re: [9fans] novel userspace paradigms introduced by plan 9

2011-07-16 Thread David Leimbach
I don't see why anyone combining ideas from Plan 9 into Linux hurts Plan 9 as long as Plan 9 continues to exist. On Saturday, July 16, 2011, simon softnet ph.soft...@gmail.com wrote: Please, don't let plan 9 and linux be interrelated in the future in any way ...Future plan 9 users have the

Re: [9fans] vm ongoing woes

2011-06-23 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:18 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011 17:09:56 ron minnich wrote: oh no. EFI is much worse than that. It's an operating system written by people who never understood the lessons learned by Unix in 1970. I'm not kidding. can

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users do not believe it

2011-06-17 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135 Dave The best part of these kind of threads is how they bring out all the people who

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users do not believe it

2011-06-17 Thread David Leimbach
for programming, than exclusively relying on keyboard shortcuts. Now quit your frothing at the mouth because you discovered Linux and vim. Simon On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:42 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, John Floren j

Re: [9fans] Oh shell

2011-05-19 Thread David Leimbach
It's pretty nice. I started playing around with it yesterday. I'm a fan of stuff like scheme shell too, so this just seems like it could be another one of these cool power tools! Dave On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Rodrigo Miranda rodrigo.mira...@acm.orgwrote: I saw this at hacker news.

Re: [9fans] crazy idea - drawterm in javascript?

2011-05-18 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2011, at 5:24 AM, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 05/18/2011 05:12 AM, Jacob Todd wrote: Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing something that accesses plan 9 from the web will be less hard. The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) acronym has

Re: [9fans] crazy idea - drawterm in javascript?

2011-05-17 Thread David Leimbach
JavaScript is not java... Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, a z rhoyerb...@gmail.com wrote: Ugh, I have to comment because to my noobness this sounds like an easy project, and an easy project to over-think. Teach a java app how to draw boxes like rio, and plug it in.

Re: [9fans] crazy idea - drawterm in javascript?

2011-05-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:58 PM, errno er...@cox.net wrote: On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 04:40:50 PM Jacob Todd wrote: Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing something that accesses plan 9 from the web will be less hard. Correct; but also somewhat ancillary to the

Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX

2011-04-12 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 12, 2011, at 8:51 AM, com...@panix.com (Greg Comeau) wrote: In article a260bb06-00d9-43bc-89ae-6f5b08cb3...@gmail.com, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:44 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: the way to do this is cd

Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX

2011-04-11 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:44 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: the way to do this is cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk mk clean Just getting to play with this... had to do some copying of some of the files first among other setbacks... ok, plain mk asks what

Re: [9fans] Go Plan 9

2011-04-06 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, David Leimbach wrote: What we need is an OS port of Plan 9 to Go that can run hosted on another OS or natively. InfernGo? Fuego. +9! --Joel

Re: [9fans] Go Plan 9

2011-04-05 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: The number of people who want to run Go on Plan 9 is already small. The number of people who want to run Go on Plan 9 on 9vx is smaller yet. At that point why not just run Go directly? 9vx is a nice hack but still a hack.

Re: [9fans] Go Plan 9

2011-04-05 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: All that Microsoft thinking (99.9%-thinking, if you find the other label offensive) to avoid adding a minute, one-off change to the Go runtime? It is not a minute, one-off change. I don't know how to fix it to cope with tiny

Re: [9fans] Go Plan 9

2011-04-05 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.comwrote: What we need is an OS port of Plan 9 to Go that can run hosted on another OS or natively. InfernGo? huh? - erik Inferno-like Go based OS (instead of Limbo??) Not necessarily with any kind of virtual

Re: [9fans] Go Plan 9

2011-04-05 Thread David Leimbach
2011/4/5 andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com InfernGo? Goribund ;) What a positive sounding project name!

Re: [9fans] Go Plan 9

2011-04-02 Thread David Leimbach
So wait... We can get the toolchain built on plan 9. Or we can target plan 9 via cross compiler? Either way is pretty awesome! Nice work! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2011, at 4:00 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations on the hard work and thanks for seeing

Re: [9fans] cores a go go

2011-03-31 Thread David Leimbach
Nice! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2011, at 9:39 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i rerolled the atom cd today with some noticable changes for mp systems. 1. apic handling has changed. the mp code can now handle apic ids 7. this can affect machines with fewer than 8

Re: [9fans] acme Local command on p9p

2011-02-25 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:44 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 25 of February 2011 16:32:27 you wrote: How about reading /proc/$pid/environ (where $pid is the shell spawned for command execution) before the $pid exits and transfering all the

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-18 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2011, at 5:45 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, February 18, 2011 02:29:54 pm erik quanstrom wrote: so this is a complete waste of time if forks getpids. and THREAD_GETMEM must allocate memory. so the first call isn't exactly

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-18 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:46:51 PST Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote: The more you optimize, the better the odds you slow your program down. Optimization adds instructions and often data, in one of

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