Re: [9fans] Building Go on Plan 9

2011-12-01 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Anthony Martin al...@pbrane.org wrote: A few people were asking about this so I wrote up a tutorial.  I also uploaded a copy to http://apm.sdf.org/go/NOTES for anyone who has trouble with attachments. Cheers,  Anthony How many different Go porting efforts

Re: [9fans] Returning to Plan 9: Virtualization, Distributions

2011-11-26 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/27/11 01:14, Ruben Schuller wrote: To throw my experiences in: I just managed to install 9front in virtualbox on my Arch linux x86_64 laptop (intel (Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2370 @ 1.73GHz), 2GiB RAM). I

Re: [9fans] Returning to Plan 9: Virtualization, Distributions

2011-11-22 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com wrote: After a long hiatus, I'd like to get back to experimenting with Plan 9.  I have an Ubuntu Linux laptop with AMD's virtualization extensions supported by the CPU, so I figure my best bet is one of the umpteen

Re: [9fans] Returning to Plan 9: Virtualization, Distributions

2011-11-22 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/22/2011 10:46 AM, ron minnich wrote: If you're serious about booting a 64-bit os you need NIX. But you're not going to get graphics. To which, on 11/22/2011 11:00 AM, erik quanstrom responded: today's nix is

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-11-04 Thread John Floren
https://negrielectronics.com/google-nexus-s-i9020a-white-8503g-unlocked.html On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. And naturally, the Nexus S has been discontinued.  At

Re: [9fans] Problem Installing Hellaphone on Nexus S

2011-10-17 Thread John Floren
At Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:43:11 +0200, Jesper Vesterberg wrote: It seems the script created boot-inferno.img is no good, after i push it over neither android nor inferno wanna boot. The inferno bit is less suprising, since i haven't built it and pushed /data/inferno over. Android on the other

Re: [9fans] Problem Installing Hellaphone on Nexus S

2011-10-17 Thread John Floren
it without starting the mediaserver-inferno. -jvg ps. Of what i know, the only diffrence between the phones is that the i9020 is suppose to have the amoled screen while the i9023 has the super clear lcd screen. Don't know if that would matter though. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 7:17 PM, John

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-28 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:43 AM, 252608386 252608...@qq.com wrote: i build the floren-inferno with cyanogen-mod source code(htc hero) and i got the error,why? agcc -c -O -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include -DLINUX_ARM -DINFERNO

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-28 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:43 AM, 252608386 252608...@qq.com wrote: i build the floren-inferno with cyanogen-mod source code(htc hero) and i got the error,why? agcc -c -O -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include -DLINUX_ARM -DINFERNO

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-28 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:53 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:43 AM, 252608386 252608...@qq.com wrote: i build the floren-inferno with cyanogen-mod source code(htc hero) and i got the error,why? agcc -c -O -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-27 Thread John Floren
Update: We now have a sort-of-working audio device in there. Sort of. You can bind '#A' /dev and write to /dev/audio, 44.1KHz 16 bit PCM audio will play fine. It'll also attempt to record 16KHZ 16 bit PCM, but it comes out choppy. All the code is basically a crude hack from the OpenSL ES example

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-26 Thread John Floren
That's the phone we used to develop, so yes. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan vdhar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Would this phone be able to run inferno? Samsung Google Nexus S I9023 Unlocked GSM Android Phone With 4 Touchscreen, Dual-Cameras, WiFi More!

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-21 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700 Joel Armstrong joelcarmstr...@gmail.com wrote: The phone won't beep or anything Does it not have audio? I wasn't very involved in the audio side of things, but as I recall

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-19 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:05 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: What would truly be interesting, since we don't need to reboot to switch modes, would be a button to do just that ... It's really easy to switch modes from the shell. To go from zygote to Inferno: stop zygote stop media

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-19 Thread John Floren
Unlocked android, basically, but I think it's best if you can run Cyanogenmod on it. That's what we've used for all of our testing, because it's available for a lot of phones and provides a reasonably similar environment across all of them. Since the E5 is not an Android phone, you probably won't

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-17 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Wes Kussmaul w...@authentrus.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 09:29 -0700, ron minnich wrote: If I can figure out where to plug in an SD card -- it claims to have one! -- I might just give that a go. The MicroSD slot in my Droid X is hidden under the battery

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-17 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:46 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: John, turn a camera on and film the phone while using it, please! Terrible video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF_-jQc53jw Some screenshots are available at https://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/wiki/Home John

[9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-16 Thread John Floren
We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-16 Thread John Floren
as native OS, or an half-assed android -nitdroid- with some hackery.) On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:32 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: this is cool! On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-16 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:46 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: John, turn a camera on and film the phone while using it, please! Unfortunately we can't use just any camera here at work... I'll see if I can get one of the officially blessed cameras, otherwise it'll have to

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-16 Thread John Floren
called android. Here's how you can fix it: (run adb shell) # mkdir /data/inferno/Android # mv /data/inferno/android/arm /data/inferno/Android/ There may be other problems lurking, but I'm pretty sure all of the stuff Inferno needs is all lowercase. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-16 Thread John Floren
- From: John Floren j...@jfloren.net To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@9fans.net, inferno-l...@vitanuova.com Subject: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2011 7:01 pm One caveat that I just came across: If you're trying to set up your phone from Mac OS

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-16 Thread John Floren
also need to put agcc (provided in the repo) into your path in order to actually build Inferno. I believe README.android has a summary of how to build Inferno yourself down at the bottom. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:40 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We've only had one device

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-16 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:24 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-14 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:59 AM, david jeannot djeanno...@gmail.com wrote: So I will send my code in the next few days, unless there is a need. I'm 9 days late, but here it is: the Cocoa version of Devdraw.  I just submitted it to Codereview:        http://codereview.appspot.com/5015042 I

Re: [9fans] NIX 64-bit kernel is available

2011-09-14 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:38 PM, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Very nice. Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though? A google search for nix kernel returns a lot of unrelated results. http://www.google.com/#hl=enq=nix+kernel How about, Plan-64?  - Leonard We have discussed

Re: [9fans] NIX 64-bit kernel is available

2011-09-14 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:42:53 PDT John Floren j...@jfloren.net  wrote: We have discussed this. Nixie was a proposed new name, but for now we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry about the name. I

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes? Because we like our eyeballs. I

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: ah, now I see :-) http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg ron Maybe. The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though. I really enjoyed

Re: [9fans] 9ttp

2011-09-08 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:31 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Thursday 08 of September 2011 14:54:40 erik quanstrom wrote: On Thu Sep  8 04:52:08 EDT 2011, 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: HTTP is technically different and not easily comparable to 9p. HTTP is not a good

Re: [9fans] 9ttp

2011-09-08 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 09:56:10 PDT John Floren j...@jfloren.net  wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:31 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrot= e: On Thursday 08 of September 2011 14:54:40 erik quanstrom wrote

Re: [9fans] Help with two small shared file servers

2011-08-17 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: Can anyone shed some light on why I might want one and not the other? Are there any other options? ken's fs is a kernel, and essentially gives you a 9p-accessible file

Re: [9fans] Help with two small shared file servers

2011-08-17 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:09:47 +0300 =?UTF-8?B?QXJhbSBIxIN2xINybmVhbnU=?= ara...@mgk.ro  wrote: Hello, I'm looking for advice on how to build a small network of two file servers. I'm hoping most servers to be Plan9,

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and the real hardware

2011-08-14 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Bernd Maier b...@hush.com wrote: I spend this weekend a lot of time in trying to get Plan9 to work on real hardware. My experience: I started with the plan9.iso. No look so far because the ahci driver seems not to be in the install kernel. 9load seems to

Re: [9fans] Intel atom system

2011-08-12 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:42 AM, Ruckdashel steve.ruckdas...@gmail.com wrote: i'm looking at building a system to get my plan9 tinkering out of VMs. I'm looking at using a zotac Ionitx-t-u mobo with a sata ssd. I'm curious if any one has tried this mobo. I'm trying to avoid having another

Re: [9fans] rc scripts in /386/bin/aux

2011-08-09 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 9, 2011 6:30 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: On Tue Aug  9 18:26:01 EDT 2011, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: the tradition has been to copy scripts into /$cputype/bin/$somesubdir for every arch.

[9fans] encrypting 9P traffic

2011-07-27 Thread John Floren
I'm preparing to go to Defcon next week, and to help avoid getting owned I'm planning to bring along a Plan 9 laptop. I'd like to be able to mount, say, my home fileserver while I'm there, but 9P traffic goes out unencrypted if you use srv rather than import -E ssl. This got me to fiddling with

Re: [9fans] encrypting 9P traffic

2011-07-27 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: Shouldn't import and srv just default to tls? x61% import -E tls gozer / /n/gozer import: gozer: tls has not yet been implemented As far as I can tell, srv doesn't even have an encryption option. Do a 9fs gozer, fire

Re: [9fans] encrypting 9P traffic

2011-07-27 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:27 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Wed Jul 27 19:50:05 EDT 2011, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: Shouldn't import and srv just default to tls? import, yes*.  srv, no. - erik --- *  thanks to its undocumented** protocol for negotiating encryption, etc.

Re: [9fans] odd problem with auth (?)

2011-07-12 Thread John Floren
I'm at lunch right now, but if no ip in ndb turns out to be the problem I will have to buy myself a big dunce cap. On Jul 12, 2011 11:16 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: My /lib/ndb/local contains these lines (gozer gets its IP from a different DHCP server): auth=gozer

Re: [9fans] odd problem with auth (?)

2011-07-12 Thread John Floren
It's official--I'm an idiot. That was the problem, a simple ip=10.1.18.190 added to the gozer entry fixed it. John On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:36 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: I'm at lunch right now, but if no ip in ndb turns out to be the problem I will have to buy myself a big dunce

Re: [9fans] in ed, how to do i do this?

2011-06-17 Thread John Floren
If you want to change: in ed, how to in fred, how, do something like this: s/in ed/in fred/ John On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy yiyu@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net:

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users do not believe it

2011-06-17 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135 Dave The best part of these kind of threads is how they bring out all the people who we've never, ever seen post before--the been meaning to try this Plan 9 thing brigade, etc.

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users do not believe it

2011-06-17 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135 Dave

Re: [9fans] Living with Plan 9

2011-06-07 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.com wrote: I note there is a Linux user binary emulation and X11  available. Is it sufficient to set up a Linux environment on Plan 9 including all the niceties offered by Linux modern distribution? Does this completely

Re: [9fans] Can we run Plan 9 on WD My Book Live [PowerPC] architecture?

2011-05-19 Thread John Floren
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:40 AM, ROuNIN rounin.urash...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello all, Recently, came across this at [http://blog.marc-seeger.de/2011/03/20/ the-western-digital-mybook-live]: # cat /proc/cpuinfo processor  : 0 cpu       : APM82181 clock      : 800.08MHz revision  :

Re: [9fans] crazy idea - drawterm in javascript?

2011-05-17 Thread John Floren
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, i am very unhappy seeing this kind of discussions here (and, the wasted potential to do something more useful in my eyes, sorry, but IMHO)... it resembles me very much the times when Steve Jobbs compromised the

Re: [9fans] crazy idea - drawterm in javascript?

2011-05-17 Thread John Floren
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Joseph Stewart joseph.stew...@gmail.com wrote: (kinda off-topic) Just saw this show up today... QEMU+Linux running under JavaScript on Chrome/FireFox. http://bellard.org/jslinux/ -joe It's not really off-topic, since that's the site that the OP's slashdot

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-05-12 Thread John Floren
He's talking about wine (spoiled grape juice), in a discussion which continues to go further afield with each passing message :) John On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:34 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: 20$ for a juice? I thought the dollar was already pretty high these days? Seldom do I say

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-05-06 Thread John Floren
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: Well designed documents that use multiple fonts, graphical elements, white space, colors, pictures are far easier on one's eyes. Yes, and then on the other hand, you have web pages. Oh, wait, you weren't talking about

Re: [9fans] lenovo or other laptop support

2011-04-29 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:31 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: we've had good luck recently with x300 and x61 ron x201 tablet also works. John

Re: [9fans] An acme question

2011-04-29 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: Here's something for a brief respite from linux bashing In acme, at present a single click positions the cursor, a double click selects either the word under the cursor or the entire line, depending on the cursor

Re: [9fans] kfs and cwfs comparison

2011-04-24 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 9:10 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: both have a weak spot. kfs.  there's one copy of the file system.  if you corrupt it, you're out of luck.  i've never seen this happen. cwfs.  if the fs is halted during the dump, there is a non-zero chance of

Re: [9fans] How and where to submit a patch for acme?

2011-03-29 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:46 AM, John A. Grahor j...@techma.com wrote: What form of diff and relative to what? Where to post? man 1 patch

Re: [9fans] How and where to submit a patch for acme?

2011-03-29 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:17 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:58:55 -0700 John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:46 AM, John A. Grahor j...@techma.com wrote: What form of diff and relative to what? Where to post? man 1

Re: [9fans] troff macros for typesetting books/longer texts

2011-03-25 Thread John Floren
Well, I think it's more that Richard Stallman was so ridiculously in love with ITS's documentation system (which was pretty good for its time, I admit) that he decided to clone it for Unix. Could the bloat of GNU tools merely be a ploy by rms to force people into using info? :) John On Fri,

Re: [9fans] troff macros for typesetting books/longer texts

2011-03-25 Thread John Floren
Evidence: http://jfloren.net/its-info.png That's a screenshot of Info running on an ITS system :) John On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:32 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Well, I think it's more that Richard Stallman was so ridiculously in love with ITS's documentation system (which

Re: [9fans] how can I set path

2011-03-24 Thread John Floren
bind -b /usr/glenda/inferno/Plan9/386/bin /bin 2011/3/24 流明 34261...@qq.com: but i want to build inferno on plan9, i have to add /usr/glenda/inferno/Plan9/386/bin to my default path. how can i do that? From: Jacob Todd jaketodd422@gma... Subject: how can I set path Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011

Re: [9fans] New venti install won't boot after 05:00 crash

2011-03-18 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: Did you zero the plan 9 partition first? I recall having a problem like this when installing over an existing plan 9 installation,  all i had to do was zero that partition and everything worked fine after that. Yes, be

Re: [9fans] New venti install won't boot after 05:00 crash

2011-03-17 Thread John Floren
After the initial install, did you reboot pretty soon? Venti wants to spend some time writing an initial image after the first boot, it seems, and if you interrupt that you're in trouble On Mar 17, 2011 6:00 PM, smi...@zenzebra.mv.com wrote: Hi, Subsequent to some discussion on this list, I

Re: [9fans] slightly on topic: pic preprocessor for drawing electronic circuits

2011-03-15 Thread John Floren
I used them to make a couple hand-held chording keypads. Convenient little beasts. John On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds cool. I'm using AVRs in the jeep fit out for the expedition. Anyone else here playing with these chips? brucee On Tue,

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-18 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:21 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: linux optimization is a ratrace.  you are only judged on the immediate effect on your subsystem, not the system as a whole.  so unless you play the game, your system will appear to regress over time as other

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-18 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:15 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i don't think that it makes sense to say that since replica is slow and hg/rsync are fast, it follows that 9p is slow. It is the other way around. 9p can't handle latency so on high latency pipes programs using 9p

Re: [9fans] Plan9 CPU server

2011-02-14 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Nyan Htoo Tin nyanhtoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 12, 1:22 am, j...@jfloren.net (John Floren) wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Nyan Htoo Tin nyanhtoo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've successfully tried plan9 on qemu/virtualbox. But I don't understand

Re: [9fans] Plan9 CPU server

2011-02-11 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Nyan Htoo Tin nyanhtoo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've successfully tried plan9 on qemu/virtualbox. But I don't understand what is CPU server that I usually saw in plan9 doc/manual?? I'd like to know details...link/pointer would be appreciated. I've

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-03 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:21 AM, smi...@zenzebra.mv.com wrote: EBo e...@sandien.com writes: Ah. Thanks for the info.  I asked because some of the physicists and atmospheric scientists I work with are likely to insist on having FORTRAN.  I still have not figured how I will deal with that if

Re: [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk

2011-01-31 Thread John Floren
readings section and even a UNIX to Plan 9 command translation. there's also: http://www.quanstro.net/newbie-guide.pdf On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:22 AM,  smi...@zenzebra.mv.com wrote: John Floren j...@jfloren.net writes: I've continually meant to write some sort of beginners-level summary

Re: [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk

2011-01-29 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:16 PM, smi...@zenzebra.mv.com wrote: Steve Simon st...@quintile.net writes: is this native plan9, p9p, or 9vx? I'm running the stock 386 distribution, on a real hard drive on real hardware.  I figured learning a new OS would be simpler without having to think

Re: [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk

2011-01-29 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:49 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I have no idea.  I just chose the default installation options, installing from the CD following the install instructions.  As far as I know, Venti is a volcano in Italy. In that case, you'll only have Fossil

Re: [9fans] plan9 compatible notebook

2011-01-28 Thread John Floren
Replying to an old post here, but I'd like to chime in that the x300 is a beautiful laptop for running Plan 9; I just installed on one. Pity it's going to be a cpu/auth server, because it's great hardware that makes a sweet terminal. Wireless is your own problem, though. What would it take to get

Re: [9fans] ARM based terminal?

2011-01-27 Thread John Floren
At Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:26:33 +, Steve Simon wrote: I want to build a net booting silent plan9 terminal which will talk to a usb keyboard and mouse, and will drive an HDMI monitor at somthing like 1900x1200. Am I still stuck with x86 or is there an ARM solution these days? -Steve

Re: [9fans] how to make hardware work?

2011-01-17 Thread John Floren
At Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:23:37 -0500, sergey.k...@gmail.com wrote: I've installed Plan 9 on my netbook. There are two things I can't leave without - internet and music. My system information collected in Linux and Plan 9, usb/ether output https://gist.github.com/782904 Ethernet works ok,

Re: [9fans] how to make hardware work?

2011-01-17 Thread John Floren
At Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:35:43 -0500, Nick LaForge wrote: afaik, there is a single usb audio device driver. usb/audio works well, I just plugged in this ($5 plus shipping) http://www.amazon.com/Syba-SD-CM-UAUD-Adapter-C-Media-Chipset/dp/B001MSS6CS and it sounds great. Nick Playback,

Re: [9fans] plan9 compatible notebook

2011-01-16 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Oleg Finkelshteyn olegf...@gmail.com wrote: can anybody recommend any plan9 compatible notebook? Based on 9fans' suggestions, I got an IBM T23. This machine is great, both for plan9 and generally. T23 (and other thinkpads from its era) also has the most

Re: [9fans] 9doom

2011-01-16 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the 9doom code they could put up on contrib? Did it ever get to a playable point? Of course, even if it wasn't playable, the source should be instructive. John

Re: [9fans] is this crazy?

2011-01-16 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:39 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:42 AM, Akshat Kumar aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote: I have this exact thing. Direct from China. It has a terribly slow interface, heats up during calls, and runs out of battery during actual

Re: [9fans] sound, graphics, tuner

2011-01-15 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: Read N PCM samples from the sound card, this is just a read from the audio in file, easy part. The samples you can read from http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/3/audio audio(3) or a similar interfaces

Re: [9fans] Plan9 topology

2011-01-13 Thread John Floren
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/2011 11:40 AM, Duke Normandin wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, David Leimbach wrote: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Duke Normandin dukeofp...@ml1.net wrote: Just read: http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/1/0intro [quote] Plan 9 is a

Re: [9fans] Plan9 topology

2011-01-13 Thread John Floren
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/2011 12:24 PM, Duke Normandin wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote: [snip] If you only have one computer available and have to dual-boot, you can actually do pretty good with a simple, standalone terminal (this is what gets

Re: [9fans] Plan9 topology

2011-01-13 Thread John Floren
At Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:37:52 -0700 (MST), Duke Normandin wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote: I think you mentioned in another message that you have a headless box available; I recommend temporarily hooking that up to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, then installing

Re: [9fans] Plan9 topology

2011-01-13 Thread John Floren
On 1/13/2011 7:42 PM, Duke Normandin wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote: At Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:37:52 -0700 (MST), Duke Normandin wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote: I think you mentioned in another message that you have a headless box available; I recommend

Re: [9fans] Plan9 topology

2011-01-13 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Duke Normandin dukeofp...@ml1.net wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote: On 1/13/2011 7:42 PM, Duke Normandin wrote: What is Venti again? Venti is the archival storage for Plan 9. Basically, new files and changes to files get written to the Fossil

Re: [9fans] fs performance

2011-01-10 Thread John Floren
I was using a slightly weird configuration, partially because it's the hardware I had available, and partly because I thought it might more adequately represent a typical internet connection. On one side of the Linux bridge was a 10 Mbit hub, on the other side, a 100 Mbit switch. The average

Re: [9fans] fs performance

2011-01-09 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 9:29 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: [snipped] As John has pointed out the streaming only makes sense where the inherent network latency is pretty high (10s of milliseconds), i.e. the wide area. ron Right, my results were that you get pretty much exactly

Re: [9fans] Streaming 9P is out

2011-01-08 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:31 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: the use of tcp to get flow control is an interesting idea. some remaks: the client only gets the dial string of a new tcp connection.  an attacker could guess the port numbers and take over the stream.  or the client might be

[9fans] Streaming 9P is out

2011-01-07 Thread John Floren
Ok, now that the thesis is signed, I feel ready to release my work on streaming for 9P, as outlined in my talk at IWP9; things have changed a lot since that talk, but the general idea remains the same. The repository at https://bitbucket.org/floren/tstream/ contains my code and the thesis

Re: [9fans] have installed plan 9 on many hosts, can't get any of them to share.

2010-12-10 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: I'm not really asking people to write better howtos.  I think the idea is fundamentally broken.  What we really need is some less narrative and more expository. I agree completely with this, my opinion is we need somthing

Re: [9fans] have installed plan 9 on many hosts, can't get any of them to share.

2010-12-09 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Lloyd Caldwell l...@xmission.com wrote: John, thanks, If you follow the standalone CPU installation instructions on the wiki to the letter, you will have a cpu/auth/file server. It's then easy to export fossil to clients, just set up the configuration to

Re: [9fans] gumstix displays

2010-12-08 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: Seems a little small for a terminal, 4.3 at 480x272 resolution. Maybe I'm crazy. That's better than what you got on the iPaq, and I found that to be reasonably usable. John

Re: [9fans] gumstix displays

2010-12-08 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:29 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: There have been cheaper terminals for ages. But small may look nice in some cases... If you can point me at such a cheap graphical terminal that is still being made, I just might buy one tonight :) Grab a pentium from the

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-15 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:41 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: Not really, the intent was that servers could implement a subset of the .L features, and return Rerror for any that they don't. Wonderful!

Re: [9fans] Errors trying to install plan9

2010-11-14 Thread John Floren
IIRC, the net install thing hasn't worked for quite a while, since almost everybody installs from a CDROM these days. Maybe try downloading the image again? I think sometimes the image gets messed up for a day, then the next daily rebuild fixes it. Maybe I'll try to install on a VM later today.

Re: [9fans] 9p vs http

2010-11-14 Thread John Floren
Please see lsub's Op and my Streaming talk at the most recent IWP9. Also, regarding 'cat', the behavior of many basic tools is that, barring any file arguments, they take stdin as input and output to stdout, so cat's behavior makes sense to me. On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Sam Watkins

Re: [9fans] 9p vs http

2010-11-14 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Sam Watkins s...@nipl.net wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:20:00PM -0500, John Floren wrote: Please see lsub's Op and my Streaming talk at the most recent IWP9. Ok, thanks.  I did not know that 9p has latency problems even when reading a single file.  I

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: There's a plan9changes google group I believe that will let you see the commits that have been going in.

Re: [9fans] What USB audio device are you using?

2010-11-02 Thread John Floren
(if their buttons even still work).  I've also used the Evoluent, but I can't tolerate its vertical column of buttons which don't give you the table's normal force, so you get a cramp. Nick On 10/29/10, John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an open question to anyone using USB audio on Plan 9

[9fans] What USB audio device are you using?

2010-10-29 Thread John Floren
Here's an open question to anyone using USB audio on Plan 9: What device are you using? How well does it work? I'm looking for something I can get on Amazon; my T22 has been silent long enough! John

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-27 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote: Sorry that wing-commander can't package it for today. sorry old boy, it wasn't LMF: at first we thought it was a wizard wheeze, but one of

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-15 Thread John Floren
It is probably worth trying. However, it wouldn't make copying a file from sources any faster, or help a Blue Gene node do a snapshot any quicker. John 2010/10/15 Julius Schmidt a...@phicode.de: Perhaps I'm getting this all wrong, but to me this seems like an interesting idea, especially if

Re: [9fans] some group photos

2010-10-14 Thread John Floren
A new addition from Stephen Jones! http://jfloren.net/eric.jpg On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:22 PM, John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: They came out kind of fuzzy, I think it's because of the bright light from outside behind us. http://jfloren.net/IWP9group1.jpg http://jfloren.net

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