On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 01:53:26PM +0100, Ruben Berenguel wrote:
Hangs on copydist (waited ~20 minutes.)
I've seen copydist take longer than this on underpowered or incorrectly
configured systems. The way it performs the copy is an unmitigated seek
festival. On one of my machines it took a
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 07:55:53PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
On Mon Mar 11 18:56:04 EDT 2013, ba...@bitblocks.com wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:44:05 PDT Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.com
wrote:
from atof(2):
BUGS
Atoi, atol, and atoll accept octal and
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 04:49:58PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
(e.g. `git submodule update')
You got git running under Plan 9? I can't even get it pkg-installed
on NetBSD, because somewhere in the long chain of dependencies it
requires /usr/X11R7 to be present!
He was asking about
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 05:01:41PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
He was asking about plan9port.
I don't have a problem with that, myself, but I thought there was a
separate mailing list for plan9port? That's what prompted me to ask,
there was no explicit mention of p9p in Devon's
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 02:08:20PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
As for plan9's awk, it runs on ape. I am trying
to make it run without ape. I had thought of
don't. it's not worth it.
- erik
[citation needed]
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 02:31:07PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
On Sun Mar 3 14:29:15 EST 2013, kh...@intma.in wrote:
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 02:18:11PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
awk is designed for a posix environment.
bullshit. was ls also designed for a posix environment? awk
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 07:10:09PM -0500, Dan Cross wrote:
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote:
should i say the current ot awk source? it's certainly not
designed for plan 9.
Regardless you are right that it is clearly not worth porting to
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:36:14PM +0100, hiro wrote:
http://plan10.tumblr.com/
I think this project was renamed 'plan9port'
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 01:39:14PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
On Thu Feb 21 13:23:26 EST 2013, j...@jfloren.net wrote:
I think his mail client is just too world-class, breathtaking,
amazing, and fabulous--have you tried it?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 06:44:24PM +0100, Rox 64 wrote:
I don't see the problem. If I wanted to implement human beings, physical
laws, an universe and an operating system inside a missing text editor
inside a Lisp interpreter on a C compiler I'm pretty sure I would add 1200
options.
To
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 07:08:16PM +0100, Rox 64 wrote:
To compile C, you must first invent the universe.
Is the universe free as in the GNU General Multiverse License?
I think it's CC-BY-ND. Still waiting on word from the content creator.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:13:28AM +, Unknown wrote:
My route here was: when my ISP said I'd have to buy W95, because Win3
wasn't good enough any more, I said screw-you and found linux and ETHO
[the single fd0, full OS inet suite].
Let me start out by saying I love this message. I
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:28:34AM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
31 Oct - 2 Nov 2013
http://iwp9.org
- erik
cfp.pdf is a 404, and it says the registration deadline is in 2011. Is
commuting to this location from Atlanta feasible?
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:40:37PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
cfp.pdf is a 404, and it says the registration deadline is in 2011. Is
commuting to this location from Atlanta feasible?
both fixed. anything else?
Nope, thanks.
commuting from atl is technically feasible, but not
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:58:59AM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
On Tue Jan 15 11:47:31 EST 2013, mve...@gmail.com wrote:
It doesn't render in mothra.
cat is just as equiped to take on the modern web.
cat can render images?
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 02:39:02PM -0500, Stephen Wiley wrote:
Page can render images.
Inline images are for pomp aristocrats with lots of spare bandwidth laying
around.
This is an outrage. I was promised html parsing and in-line images with
cat.
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:49:13PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
On Tue Jan 15 23:46:23 EST 2013, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
please, do not post 9front questions to 9fans. post to
9fr...@googlegroups.com or ask in the irc channel.
this looks like a generic plan 9 question to me. or is
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 02:13:53PM +, Charles Forsyth wrote:
C++ and java feel highly inconsistent and are full of stupid busywork
and strange programming philosophies that you have to learn about,
I've written programs in both languages and you don't really have to
worry about the
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 03:21:37PM +, Charles Forsyth wrote:
I see. That might be tedious.
If you ask around, you'll find tons of stories from people who took
entry-level programming courses, taught in C++, who got in trouble for
submitting C-compliant or similar code. Many schools teach
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:57:43AM -0800, David Leimbach wrote:
Haskell
No.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 04:26:11PM +1300, Winston Kodogo wrote:
This is a technical mailing list, what do you expect?
These days, I expect exactly what I see here. Boring technical
fuckwittage, to which I've obviously contributed more than my fair
share, and nothing else. But there was a
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 09:38:06AM -0500, Dan Cross wrote:
Personally, I think that all of this language posturing is
geekier-than-thou nonsense.
And the rest of this email is wiser-than-thou bullshit. Programming
languages ARE tools. If you enjoy using shitty tools to earn your
living, when
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 07:47:07PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
a computer is a multiple purpose device, not an education.
Prove it.
Have you even contacted IAEP or one of the dozens of OLPC working groups
in your area?
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:45:51PM -0500, Dan Cross wrote:
Thanks for making my point for me.
Someone had to. It sure wasn't you.
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 05:31:52AM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 07:47:07PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
a computer is a multiple purpose device, not an education.
Prove it.
Have you even contacted IAEP or one of the dozens of OLPC working
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 09:56:33AM -0500, Calvin Morrison wrote:
On 19 November 2012 04:59, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote:
Isn't all C code valid C++? problem solved.
As of c99, they have diverged.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:26:32AM -0800, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
Yeah, we probably do need more where half of the
consonants are silent :) On the other hand, I
always thought Bucksnort, Tennessee was pretty
creative... Well, maybe creative is too strong
a word---unusual, at least.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 02:37:14PM +, Eric Jul wrote:
As I like flying, I would actually consider flying into the local Athens
Airport, IATA:
AHN, ICAO: KAHN
I also recommend flying direct to Athens, since the Athens police have
devoted many man-hours and dollars to making sure there is
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
In p9p's rio there is a possibility to cycle over windows with left_alt-tab.
Has anyone thought about / managed to add some more shortcuts, e.g.
such that would run a program like dmenu?
This breaks nested
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 03:53:59PM +0100, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
this is plan9*port* rio, a X11 window manager. no
nesting with plan9 themed ubuntu linux here.
Oh, gross. Never mind.
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 12:33:52PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
usually the vm does paging itself, and often more complicated things like
memory compression and deduplication. so why would the hosted os page as
well?
Are you deliberately conflating swapping and paging?
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 01:04:15PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
in modern systems, i believe they mean the same thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging#Terminology
Sorry, I didn't know you were talking about Windows NT.
memory deduplication? is that true?
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 01:22:50PM -0400, Dan Cross wrote:
I didn't know you were talking about VAX Unix.
Thanks for letting me know.
That's odd, because Erik was pretty obviously talking about the host
virtual machine.
Host virtual machine, eh?
But hey; whatever. It's cool.
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 01:40:48PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
perhaps my comment about double-swap/paging was not clear
enough. i was considering the hosted os, with some standard
vm such as esxi, vbox, xen or whatever as the host. in such a case it makes
no sense to me for the hosted os
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 01:57:10PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
however, i think that queuing theory in general says that one queue with
global
sorting beats n smaller queues with local sorting. i think this is sometimes
called the
checkout-line problem.
This would be true, I think,
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 05:53:17PM -0600, andrey mirtchovski wrote:
the vodka is strong, but the meat is rotten.
wait, you're saying this as if it's a bad thing‽
check your syslog for messages about references whizzing past your
terminal
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 04:26:52PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
Best way to save developer time is to program in a HLL and not
worry about bit fiddling. C is not a HLL.
Two problems with this:
1) Developer time is not worth saving, because developers are cheap and
they don't use their time
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 06:11:54PM -0700, Don A. Bailey wrote:
If I wanted to be insulted, I'd subscribe to a Reddit feed. ;)
D
Thanks for letting us know, D.
The Right Reverend Kurt H. Maier, Esq.
Daughter of the Fifth House of Betazed
Holder of the Sacred Chalice of Rixx
Heir to the Holy
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 06:29:19PM -0700, Don A. Bailey wrote:
Haha, it's good to know the caustic wit of 9fans hasn't changed in the
twelve years I've participated in it. Screen names change, but trolls will
always persist.
Unlike your desire to look at code? Why have you suddenly begun
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 02:49:48PM -0700, Don Bailey wrote:
Has any progress been made on using plan9 as a virtual machine host?
Thanks,
D
No, D. No progress.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:20:47AM -0700, Albert Skye wrote:
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
poor special effects?
it's just resting!
but maybe it should die
yes
no modern GUI, c.
(and I'm grateful for that! :)
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 03:37:57PM -0400, Corey Thomasson wrote:
Everyday I'm slightly more convinced that you're a highly sophisticated
Markov chain.
How do you feel about you're a highly sophisticated
Markov chain?
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 09:49:41PM +0200, Aharon Robbins wrote:
This says a lot, rather nicely:
http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html
The guy whose entire career has been spent cloning DOS and Windows
software claims that Linux sucks because it's not enough like Windows?
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 09:08:41AM +1100, Rob Pike wrote:
Does anyone know what happened?
-rob
Yes.
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 08:52:40AM +, Christopher Hobbs wrote:
Being that macs don't have a proper delete key, how can I get delete
behavior to kill a program in rc short of slapping a real keyboard
on this machine?
delete to kill a program is a function of rio/9term/acme, not a function
Just for the record, nothing's changed:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:44:04PM +0200, Uriel wrote:
Where did the Go team say explicitly they are not interested in a
better build system?
http://goo.gl/AtBrC
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 04:10:39PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
Anyway, I do not understand how uniform crappiness can be advantageous...
The issue raised on Go-Nuts is that Bash shouldn't be used for
installing Go, /bin/sh should be used instead. The response is that
Bash is the most
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 04:52:34PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
Or are you oriented towards kiloLOCs of test code to see which
features are implemented and provide compatability a la autoconf?
Excellent example of a false dilemma. I'm oriented towards exerting the
effort to make something
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 08:48:39PM +0530, Dan Cross wrote:
Wonderful! Please point me to your new programming language so I can
have a look?
I don't think it would do you any good, since you are apparently unable
to differentiate between programming languages and build systems.
So are
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 05:36:58PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
Sure, feel free to make something that isn't shitty, there's plenty
out there that can be improved. The machinery to install Go (from
sources) is hardly the most important amongst them.
The Go team has already explicitly stated
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:41:05AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
so what's the reason for this argument on 9fans? is it that it makes
building go on plan 9 harder?
I think it started out with rc users defending their purity of essence.
I'm just an Unattached Lensman with the Galactic
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 09:15:35PM +0530, Dan Cross wrote:
Oh no, I can't. Please, by all means, point me to whatever it is that
you have produced that demonstrates your prowess in this area so that
I can learn more.
you sound upset
Irrelevant.
The topic at hand is not irrelevant to
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 06:05:04PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
But note that even if it does work, it is still not possible for the
Go Team to release the scripts as /bin/sh scripts because, as you have
clearly not yet grasped, not all /bin/sh instances out there can be
shown to be compatible
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 08:19:52PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
Does that translate into being able to supply an example of such a
de-shitting process the Go Team could and should have followed? An
irresistible paragon of building prowess? Something even the autoconf
people would be tempted
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:50:27PM +0530, Dan Cross wrote:
You are conflating bootstrapping the language with the language's
build system. The go command is actually quite nice.
Also, the go command is useless unless the bootstrap build system can
construct it. I'm not conflating
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:09:13AM +0530, Dan Cross wrote:
Well, if you could explain a) how it's currently broken, and b) how a
'corrected' version would be useful, others might be more sympathetic
to your concerns. From most perspectives, it doesn't appear broken at
all; it works fine, it's
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 01:55:15AM -0700, Nick LaForge wrote:
Oh yeah, already a comment about the GUI 'sucking'! A bit more
fortitude is in order, right?
The thing you have to remember about hacker news is that nothing
posted there is news and none of the people who frequent it are hackers.
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 03:08:12PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
i think it crosses some line to imply that dennis intended folks
physical harm, even if the whole thing is absurd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedic_device#Hyperbole
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 05:08:52PM -0400, Burton Samograd wrote:
This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is
strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use
or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 09:44:31AM -0700, balaji wrote:
unlike newegg, acmemicro does not stock anything so delivery time is long.
Supermicro resellers (like ixsystems) tend to be better about this.
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:53:05PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
you don't want plan 9 on an 8 bit machine.
- erik
Thanks for letting him know, erik. Please also explain his other
hardware opinions, I think he's looking for a keyboard
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 02:16:00PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
it's an opinion that 8 bits don't have mmus?
that's taking relativism to a whole new level.
your original message didn't contain anything approaching useful content
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 09:00:00PM +0200, hiro wrote:
I have a tegra 2 and it's completely undocumented and only comes with
binary display drivers.
Speaking of tegra, what the hell happened with linux4tegra? It was
announced, delayed, released, and then pulled? Is that correct?
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 01:47:17AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
i'd aspire to be like that.
I look forward to your hardware offerings
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:51:28AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
On Tue Jun 12 00:39:16 EDT 2012, nicklafo...@gmail.com wrote:
sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub
I think the 'cheap arm dev board' bandwagon will always suffer in this
regard, since the phones
Evaluations of the Sheevaplug in particular revealed it tended to
overheat badly if you put any significant load on the networking
components. Heating problems combined with poor quality control would
be my guess as to why that whole thing never flew.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 01:08:38AM -0400, Charles Forsyth wrote:
failure of vision
I think a sunken ship and an unidentified attack vessel are about as
much use to a man stranded on a tiny island as high-throughput wired
networking is to low-power compute devices.
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 04:29:15PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
(a) that a phenomenal
amount of effort went into establishing that standard;
Then it belongs on someone's refrigerator, next to a participation
award. Bad decisions aren't less bad just because a lot of people
worked hard to make
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 05:53:42PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
And you see no contradiction that the seemingly obvious alternatives
just simply haven't gained any ground at all?
Since you seem to be the sort of idiot who can't differentiate technical
quality from distribution volume, I'll
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 09:02:03AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
i didn't say the mailbox was owned by me. our system has
~1.2m messages in ~1k folders spread among ~100 users.
Thanks for letting us know
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 10:06:05PM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote:
Oh my whiskers! Oh my paws!
As long as we're off-topic, this is a misquote.
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 05:38:13PM +0200, dexen deVries wrote:
i have used dbus recently, via dbus-send(1) and qdbusviewer. it's like
a
filesystem populated with filesystem servers, only that you can't
mount(3),
open(3), stat(3), etc. anything.
I have driven a motorcycle recently, via
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:16:29PM +0100, Robert Raschke wrote:
Wrong Athens, methinks.
Easy mistake to make. Most of Georgia is also full of common tools.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:35:20AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
On Wed May 16 10:33:50 EDT 2012, s...@9front.org wrote:
The confusing part to me is why [2] or [3] or [4]
(and so on) captures the stdout of the @{} block.
yes, it is confusing. but that's how rc rolls.
- erik
erik quanstrom wrote:
ignoring the spurious and fallacious arguments, the remaining point is
false.
can you specify which one you're addressing?
for example, there are members of at least 4 different organizations
participating in nix.
not sure which point this addresses.
9front does not
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