Hi,
Was planning to have a stab at running / using plan9 and am struggling to find
compatible hardware (I want to use a laptop). Anyway, I have a win8.1 pro
laptop and though about using Hyper-V as the VM for running plan9. I was just
wondering if I was being an idiot for even attempting it
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I use a Bamboo Fun http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/bamboo_fun.php on my Windows
machine, and I love it.
There are Linux drivers for the entire Bamboo line, so I'm assuming there's an
available specification, if you're feeling ambitions and want something more
like your laptops track pad.
How
if you're feeling ambitions and want something more like your laptops
track pad.
Surely you jest? Something that repositions the cursor to an uninteresting
location in the middle of a document by simply hovering
one's thumb in the vicinity of the space bar? Or am I just particularly
My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it
doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs.
I've been using http://www.thehumansolution.com/evoluent.html
recently, and I do love it.
How the hell is a shape patentable?
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On Saturday 24 April 2010 21:20:35 Rahul Murmuria wrote:
snip
I would like to
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From the Oxford Encyclopedic Dictionary:
Then experiment!
I _am_ experimenting! (c8=
Silently on my own I'm engaged in the sort of ruggedly independent, lone
cowboy style research and development which defines
9fans'
standard operating procedure. (in this instance, it involves reducing the
Blender 2.5 codebase down to
Hyper-V is negative for 2008r2.
Then let's see it happen; I'm not sure what you're waiting for.
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On Sunday 18 April
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I appreciate your time and consideration in your
On the other hand: doesn't individual development suffers from at least two
problems?
(1) lack of a common vision leading to potentially widely divergent and
incompatible solutions
(2) lack of sufficient energy (manpower etc.) behind any given project
development to make any real
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You can be right about the manpower issue.
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Yes there is, but the disagreement in
You can be right about the manpower issue. In no way could on man build a
bridge, but one man can build efficient software.
Even here there is room for disagreement. Do you think a
community-designed bridge would be preferable to one designed by a
single architect? The seminal
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You have repetitively ignored the heart of
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I am agreed with Federico,
vmware. Do not spend time with other
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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:56
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1. IFAIK? Can't find that anywhere...
2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9?
The only emulator you're spending time on is Qemu, the rest are
virtualizers or simulators, and there is a significant difference.
Emulators are much slower, because of what they have to do.
Qemu is capable of full emulation, but when host guest architecture match
(or are compatible,
: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:05 PM
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On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
Object-Orientation reduces static provability.
True (or true enough)?
Not to engender a flame war, but my gut
, more than they love to learn from what Plan 9 has
done, more than they love to solve problems, the whole reason behind computer
science.
K
Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com 16/04/2010 12:47:03 pm
Object-Orientation reduces static provability. May be I'm crazy, but I like it
when you can
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Ok--so it's agreed that it's not OO that's the problem, it's the users, then,
who
On Wednesday 07 April 2010 17:05:42 Georg Lehner wrote:
Patrick Kelly wrote:
On Tuesday 06 April 2010 17:07:51 Georg Lehner wrote:
...
I will be able to throw some time at work on creating either a posix
layer or
alternatively port Plan9's libc and rc to Windows CE in the next half
On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:33 AM, Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave wrote:
hello
This way (dot-it-your-self-way) we will only have one-man
projects. . .
Do it yourself refers to the community doing anything they need. Most
things are so trivial that one or two people can do it. That doesn't
On one side, you have code (result) and consistency; on the
other side, you have _inhumanity_ since you have increasing of the
entropy that is disorder: order is unnatural, and is the mark of human
activity. Open source seems very natural in this sense: the
bazaar...
Until you factor in one
On Mar 30, 2010, at 14:23, Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Patrick Kelly
kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
Read up on why Plan 9 was written. We've been succeeding for 20
years so
far.
I think this is an interesting comment in light of the evolution
long is guaranteed to be at least 32 bits by C89. So this could do,
but could be a little overkill:
1) If a compiler set on a 32 bits machine, long to be 64 bits? (I
haven't looked at the sources, but I guess it is not the case for
ken-cc
suite).
2) On a 64 bits (since Charles Forsyth has
since we are trying so hard to create new problems for Plan 9, should
i assume the old ones have all been solved?
Sadly I think this is just people adding complexity because, 'that’s how Linux
does it', and must be correct. Either that or they desire complexity for
familiarity; an even more
On my part I guess I'm assuming complexity will come, whether we like
it or not. I don't find it easy to believe that we can avoid
complexity forever, and I get the feeling some relatively rapid growth
is coming.
Yes, but should that complexity be needless? I understand that as features
are
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Hey,
On 29 March 2010 13:14, Patrick Kelly kameo76
On Mar 29, 2010, at 4:16 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
I would also be happy to hear about how non-coding activities are
typically handled by using a Plan9 system.
what non-coding activities? ☺
Surely you have played mahjongg at least once!
- erik
Where's the beef? is certainly a fair and reasonable thing to ask.
I got hungry and ate it.
What I'm wondering, however, is _what's_ the beef?
Beef comes from the cow.
As you said, these arguments have indeed been going on for some
time - so, why only talk and no action? It's weird.
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:31:20 -0300, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
It's this kind of intellectual ugliness that makes the
teacher in me hang my head in shame. How could
we be managing to produce a whole generation of
programmers who actually buy into that stuff? And
it's not as if it's a fad
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:17:30 -0300, Francisco J Ballesteros
n...@lsub.org wrote:
As a example for our students we use
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=blob;f=src/cat.c;hb=HEAD
I'm going to have nightmares tonight...
versus
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:58:30 -0300, Tim Newsham news...@lava.net wrote:
As a example for our students we use
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=blob;f=src/cat.c;hb=HEAD
versus
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/cat.c
In fact, we have both printed on
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 08:46 -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
my big question is How do I get my employer to need plan9?
by careful choise of employer? ☺
Or become the employer
Seriously though, ask around, see if theres a use for any old machines
at your workplace. Too old to be running
On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 11:44 -0500, John Floren wrote:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:54 AM, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/qi-hardwares-tiny-hackable-ben-nanonote-now-shipping/
Okay, Maht. You just cost me $125 :) I just couldn't resist.
Of course, it
On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 15:38 -0800, ron minnich wrote:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
Any thought as to using the OpenMoko as a phone platform?
vapor. That thing was pure vapor from start to end.
Figures
sickening how many potentially nice
POSIX is a standard in which hardly anyone actually adheres too. AIX POSIX
is not Solaris POSIX is not Linux POSIX etc. What good is a standard that
isn't truthfully standardised. Alas I will say that POSIX does add quite a
bit more cross platfom conformity than some other... things... but there a
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Agreed wholeheartedly. Thing is, It's autoconf that needs careful
On Mar 4, 2010, at 4:13 PM, ron minnich wrote:
The big thing I'd like to see as a GSOC project, and which I think is
doable, is a first-class set of drivers for the beagle and/or IGEP.
The beagle is cheap and would be a very nice terminal.
It's close on some fronts. We really need video. USB
On Mar 3, 2010, at 1:18 PM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and
events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First,
you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your
own profile.
Is it just me, or
On Feb 19, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:
* James Tomaschke ja...@orcasystems.com wrote:
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I'm looking for some (9p-based ;-p) vector graphics device which
allows one to define/manipulate the image
On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:
* Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote:
We recompile the relevant executables. The speed of kencc makes this
much less painful than you might expect. It also happens very rarely
on plan9 - I cannot remember the last time
On Feb 17, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:
* David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of plug in functionality you'll find on other platforms
that requires a shared library approach can be implemented via
a file system service technique.
Of course, and I
On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:31 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, matt maht-9f...@maht0x0r.net
wrote:
it supports 4gb of memory.
of non-ECC memory, so nice terminal, bad server
the probability of having at least one bit error in 4 gigabyes of
On Jan 29, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote:
Hello 9fans!
I've tried to install Plan 9 on a 64 bit Windows 7 using Virtual PC,
since I've read that a related bug was fixed and noone tried it.
I just announced it worked like 2 weeks ago.
Actually, after the fourth tentative (after
settings, which made me wonder.
I tried it out on a couple other machines, with varying success.
Certain machines worked fine, others had issues. I'm not sure why it
varies.
Thanks a lot!
Giacomo
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Patrick Kelly
kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 29
On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis
eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote:
On 8 Jan 2010, at 7:12 am, Jeff Sickel wrote:
there's not a single searchable
site that provides a quick reference release that would give us
inroads
to all the /other/ operating systems available these
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2. We already have
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:42 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net
wrote:
On Wed Jan 20 08:27:58 EST 2010, maht-9f...@maht0x0r.net wrote:
By the end of May, all the root servers should be running DNSSEC
http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/01/19/the-internet-is-about-to-get-a-lot-safer/
Is
On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote:
starting over would seem (and probably is) best.
http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
Given the small amount of information I had...
I havent even looked at the source yet...
On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com
wrote:
Aren't DirectShow filter graphs and programs like GraphStudio/
GraphEdit one possible answer to the video processing question?
Filter graphs can be generated by any program, GUI or CLI, and fed
to DirectShow
On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:51 PM, William Cowan wmco...@uwaterloo.ca wrote:
erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote:
it's unfortunate that computer history isn't a bigger
component of a computer science degree. in the
case of vm, it's not even history; still alive and doing
quite well as
On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:29 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote:
They are running apache on a toaster? My goodness.
Way too powerfull of a toaster.
Overkill ftw!
On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:
* Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote:
The coffee pot runs windows
On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Tim Newsham tim.news...@gmail.com wrote:
Any reason why they prefer to rewrite large portions of
code to use gcc rather than making use of different toolchains
for the L4 kernel and the plan9 subsystems? It seems like the
latter would be a lot less effort and
As far as I know you would need an emulator not a virtualizer.
On Jan 8, 2010, at 2:12 PM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
I don't have enough experience with VirtualBox to make a sensible
comparison.
The thing that none of the VM monitors seem to offer (though I'd love
to be proven wrong)
On Jan 8, 2010, at 2:18 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
I don't have enough experience with VirtualBox to make a sensible
comparison.
I had a horrible time with virtual box and Plan 9.
Did not work at all well. I
On Jan 8, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Tim Newsham news...@lava.net wrote:
I might be having a hard time with the Japanese, but my impression
is that
the plan 9 processes are now also L4 userspace servers. This makes
me think
they're not running a paravirtualized Plan 9 on L4, but put L4 INTO
Plan
On Jan 8, 2010, at 2:46 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote:
it's unfortunate that computer history isn't a bigger
component of a computer science degree.
History and Philosophy of Science was slow in becoming a legitimate
academic pursuit of great practical value. It will
On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:
* Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote:
The coffee pot runs windows and there is a virus that causes Coffee
Denial of Service on it.
That, of course, would be the very most worstcase that can ever
happen ;-)
I doubt
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Do not spend too much time trying to figure out why this math works.
The basis for
On Monday 14 December 2009 09:49:31 chutsu wrote:
So.. been looking at plan 9, am confused what plan 9 is
used for? I
I use Plan 9 as a web server, compute and compile server,
and a file server for source code. It's far easier to manage than
Unix or Windows, I've had BSD systems fail
On Monday 14 December 2009 16:32:45 m g wrote:
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Patrick Kelly
kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday 14 December 2009 09:49:31 chutsu wrote:
So.. been looking at plan 9, am confused what plan 9 is
used for? I
I use Plan 9 as a web server, compute
On Dec 1, 2009, at 17:28, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm
wrote:
On 1 Dec 2009, at 8:44 pm, Steve Simon wrote:
VNC can (has been) be a butt-saver' - but pales in comparison to
remote desktop
/ remote X for relative responsiveness and seamlessness.
My experience of serving
, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:55 PM, David Arnold dav...@pobox.com wrote:
On 22/09/2009, at 4:47 PM, Jack Norton wrote:
In the end I don't care what the linux devs do, but they need to
come up with a game plan and either fork (server, desktop linux
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:55 PM, David Arnold dav...@pobox.com wrote:
On 22/09/2009, at 4:47 PM, Jack Norton wrote:
In the end I don't care what the linux devs do, but they need to come up
with a game plan and either fork (server, desktop linux) or include it all
and try and make everyone
On Sep 22, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
anyone looked at this or given it any thought?
I was going to check into it after I did some tests in the audio
system. Although I probably won't finish my tests till early-mid
october.
On Sep 21, 2009, at 12:22 PM, ron minnich wrote:
2.7M lines last year
10K lines added a day.
5K lines deleted per day.
At least by what i've seen, a good number of these submits have been
fixing the same area, over and over again. How much of this is
actually good development anyways
On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:11 PM, ron minnich wrote:
There was a GSOC project to add 802.11 support. I mention this because
the code might be simple enough to be useful as a template for Plan 9
wireless drivers.
I was under the impression Plan 9 had a few wireless drivers... am I
wrong?
ron
On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:02 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 09:22:56AM -0700, ron minnich wrote:
2.7M lines last year
10K lines added a day.
5K lines deleted per day.
I keep thinking this can't be sustained. What happens next?
Are there stats indicating where the lines
On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:04 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
At least by what i've seen, a good number of these submits have been
fixing the same area, over and over again. How much of this is
actually good development anyways (i.e. The does this really belong
here? comments).
[...]
Yup, and it works
On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Jack Norton wrote:
ron minnich wrote:
2.7M lines last year
10K lines added a day.
5K lines deleted per day.
I keep thinking this can't be sustained. What happens next?
At the same time, well, as pointed out, we all use it all the time.
I'm sending this from
On Sep 21, 2009, at 3:23 PM, ron minnich wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Patrick Kelly
kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
I was under the impression Plan 9 had a few wireless drivers... am
I wrong?
nothing modern. That's the problem.
I see, I guess that would make sense then.
http
On Sep 21, 2009, at 3:32 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Patrick Kelly
kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Jack Norton wrote:
ron minnich wrote:
2.7M lines last year
10K lines added a day.
5K lines deleted per day.
I keep thinking
On Sep 21, 2009, at 9:12 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote:
it's on slashdot, it must be true:
During a roundtable discussion at LinuxCon in Portland, Oregon this
afternoon, moderator and Novell distinguished engineer James Bottomley
asked Tovalds whether Linux kernel features were being released
On Sep 21, 2009, at 10:33 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
We're getting bloated and huge. Yes, it's a problem, said
Torvalds.
So may be Tanenbaum was right, after all, there's a reason we make
things modular.
rob, presotto, ken and phil did not agree with tanenbaum's
ideas about modular
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