Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-18 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Thu, 17 May 2012 13:36:52 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: abaco was confused about how relative urls work. i've attached the file i'm using (which has some extra differences), and here's the diff Thanks! I'll push that to 9front if it works with their webfs.

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-18 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Thu, 17 May 2012 18:20:41 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Thu May 17 17:44:51 EDT 2012, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: Besides that, my Elysian field has namespaces. +1 better than angry french motorists. I can handle angry French motorists better than I can handle

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-18 Thread Burton Samograd
abaco was confused about how relative urls work. i've attached the file i'm using (which has some extra differences), and here's the diff Thanks! I'll push that to 9front if it works with their webfs. I applied the patch to my 9front abaco source and it worked as advertised (as in clicking

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 18 12:30:56 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: tested, commited. theres a little thing thats different with 9front webfs. if the server doesnt return a Content-Type response header, the contenttype attribute file will not appear in the connection directory. (this is true for all

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-18 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:24:02 +0200 erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: On Fri May 18 12:30:56 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: the web is not plan 9 compliant. That's really offtopic. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Jack Johnson
Quick tangent, is there anyone out there whose favorite environment is non-native? Maybe 9vx or plan9ports on specific hardware? Your secret sam port to Windows 8's Metro UI? For all I know, plan9ports full screen on a MacBook Air is Glenda's Elysian field. Maybe something dual-screen with Chrome

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
Plan 9 doesn't run native on my last two notebooks (not handling wireless, anyway), so I've been using an older version of 9vx, which has been stable for years. I run it full screen, on Ubuntu, mainly alternating between that and Chrome. I'm tempted to try to get native working again for me,

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Jack Norton
On 5/17/2012 10:41 AM, Jack Johnson wrote: Quick tangent, is there anyone out there whose favorite environment is non-native? Maybe 9vx or plan9ports on specific hardware? Your secret sam port to Windows 8's Metro UI? For all I know, plan9ports full screen on a MacBook Air is Glenda's Elysian

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
Oh. other jack's email reminds me: I have used qemu/kvm to debug x86 kernels before I run them native. It's easier for instance than trying to run two machines on an aircraft, though you can run two on a train. I have got plan9ports on the notebooks, to provide some sane commands when I have to

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Thu, 17 May 2012 07:41:28 -0800 Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote: Quick tangent, is there anyone out there whose favorite environment is non-native? Maybe 9vx or plan9ports on specific hardware? Your secret sam port to Windows 8's Metro UI? For all I know, plan9ports full screen on

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Justin Bedo
I use abaco all the time for my roleplaying, btw, I like it. It handles Simple Machines forums quite nicely, and most of my comics too. I tried to use abaco but it doesn't seem to like google's website. Clicking any of the results links shows a redirection error page from google. I haven't

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Burton Samograd
I tried to use abaco but it doesn't seem to like google's website. Clicking any of the results links shows a redirection error page from google. Seconded. Google searching is a pain using abaco. -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread erik quanstrom
abaco was confused about how relative urls work. i've attached the file i'm using (which has some extra differences), and here's the diff - erik --- /n/dump/2012/0220/sys/src/cmd/abaco/urls.c:173,237 - urls.c:173,246 void urlcanon(Rune *name) { - Rune *s, *t, *tail; + Rune *s,

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Jack Norton
On 5/17/2012 12:31 PM, Justin Bedo wrote: I use abaco all the time for my roleplaying, btw, I like it. It handles Simple Machines forums quite nicely, and most of my comics too. I tried to use abaco but it doesn't seem to like google's website. Clicking any of the results links shows a

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Justin Bedo
This works in mothra with webfs. I like mothra much better than abaco. It is included in 9front, or alternatively grab it from the 9front google code page. It uses 9front's webfs as well. Yes I tried this, and it worked perfectly fine. However I prefer the abaco interface. Is it possible

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread sl
Is it possible to copy/paste in mothra? No. But it does have moth mode. -sl

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Miller
Besides that, my Elysian field has namespaces. +1

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu May 17 17:44:51 EDT 2012, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: Besides that, my Elysian field has namespaces. +1 better than angry french motorists. - erik

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-14 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Vincent Zhao zhaoym1...@gmail.com wrote: I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9, can my dream come true? I have a working Thinkpad T23 with 1400x1050 video, for years. The only trouble is that it needs a small program to restore video after the lid was

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-12 Thread cinap_lenrek
ok, i think i see now what happens. none of the usb controllers have a PCMPintr entry in the bus. so what happens is that mpintrenable() calls mpintrenablex() with the dummy ISA tbdf again assigning them irq 10 and 11. this succeeds with the first controller tried but fails with following

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-11 Thread erik quanstrom
the multiple botch happens only when it tries isa tbdf and can probably ignored? i wonder why the first mpintrenablex() with the pci tbdf would fail. the only case where it would fail that way without leaving some other kernel print behind is when there is no matching pin (aintr-irq) entry

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-11 Thread cinap_lenrek
will do. btw, that cannot find southbridge is there forever. just googled for PCI.255.31.7 or 255:31:7 and you get tons of results. maybe that entry in the $PIR is just bogus/dummy? -- cinap

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread yang.zhao
Really? Wonderful.. Is there some docs for install Plan 9(more detail)? x201 doesn't have a CD-ROM.. Thx. 2012/5/10 Justin Bedő c...@cua0.org I'm running it fine on an x201. On 10 May 2012 04:04, yang.zhao hckjs...@gmail.com wrote: Can Plan9 be installed on the Thinkpad x201i? Thanks.

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread Justin Bedo
Really? Wonderful.. Is there some docs for install Plan 9(more detail)? x201 doesn't have a CD-ROM.. I actually used the docking station with a cdrom drive to install. I also needed the 9load from 9atom to get it to boot, though I'm otherwise running a stock plan 9 from bell labs. I tried to

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread hiro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_PCI#Mini_PCI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pcmcia ah. I confused mini pci express with expresscard.

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread Charles Forsyth
On one of my Atoms I found that actually the problem (on that hardware) was that Plan 9's memory probing was zapping one of the bytes in its tables, preventing the second CPU from being seen. (PCMP changed to 0xCC CMP). A recent change to pc/memory.c might have fixed that. On 10 May 2012 09:53,

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread tlaronde
Really? Wonderful.. Is there some docs for install Plan 9(more detail)? x201 doesn't have a CD-ROM.. Installing Plan9 without a CD reader or a PXE boot. Abstract The Plan9 distribution is available for installation by the mean of a bootable ISO image

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread erik quanstrom
6) [Not necessary for bootstrapping] So that 5) remains true, the 9load file must be tagged SYSTEM, so that it is not moved when updating. i originally read this incorrectly as from the prespective of dossrv(4); in that case one would say ... from the perspective of dossrv(4), the exclusive

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu May 10 05:06:15 EDT 2012, charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: On one of my Atoms I found that actually the problem (on that hardware) was that Plan 9's memory probing was zapping one of the bytes in its tables, preventing the second CPU from being seen. (PCMP changed to 0xCC CMP). A

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:47:49AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: 6) [Not necessary for bootstrapping] So that 5) remains true, the 9load file must be tagged SYSTEM, so that it is not moved when updating. i originally read this incorrectly as from the prespective of dossrv(4); in that case

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread erik quanstrom
from the perspective of dossrv(4), the exclusive use flag tells dossrv to try to keep the program contiguous on disk. moving it around is ok. I'm not a DOS FS specialist but I would be cautious about this because there may be some binaries that expect not only a file to be a contiguous

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 08:20:32AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: from the perspective of dossrv(4), the exclusive use flag tells dossrv to try to keep the program contiguous on disk. moving it around is ok. I'm not a DOS FS specialist but I would be cautious about this because

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread Jens Staal
torsdagen den 10 maj 2012 12.19.51 skrev tlaro...@polynum.com: Really? Wonderful.. Is there some docs for install Plan 9(more detail)? x201 doesn't have a CD-ROM.. Installing Plan9 without a CD reader or a PXE boot. Abstract Wow! Thanks. I

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread Jack Norton
On 5/10/2012 3:09 AM, yang.zhao wrote: Really? Wonderful.. Is there some docs for install Plan 9(more detail)? x201 doesn't have a CD-ROM.. Thx. -- K.I.S.S. The 9front bootloader can boot from a USB disk. You can then throw a plan9 iso on the disk and go from there.

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread cinap_lenrek
this simplifies building bootable cds. the advantage being that your kernel doesnt need to fit in that floppy image but can be just any file on the iso filesystem. that way theres no need to strip debug symbols and compress the kernel. in 9front, we use the same 9pcf kernel on all boot media.

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 02:47:21PM +0200, Jens Staal wrote: If anyone has instructions on making a bootable (install) usb for Plan9 (using syslinux + iso or other method), I would be very interested in this!. Preferrably a method that does not require Plan9 to already be installed...

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 03:31:14PM +0200, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: 9load has to die. Ideally, yes. I worked, a long time ago, with GRUB and finally realized that adding feature after feature we were just building another kernel... -- Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread Charles Forsyth
If you're using USB, why would you bother with ISO format? On 10 May 2012 13:57, Jack Norton j...@0x6a.com wrote: The 9front bootloader can boot from a USB disk. You can then throw a plan9 iso on the disk and go from there.

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread Jack Norton
On 5/10/2012 10:15 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: If you're using USB, why would you bother with ISO format? On 10 May 2012 13:57, Jack Norton j...@0x6a.com mailto:j...@0x6a.com wrote: The 9front bootloader can boot from a USB disk. You can then throw a plan9 iso on the disk and go from

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread Charles Forsyth
ok. I wanted to check there wasn't some horrible PC-related restriction.

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread David du Colombier
If anyone has instructions on making a bootable (install) usb for Plan9 (using syslinux + iso or other method), I would be very interested in this!. Preferrably a method that does not require Plan9 to already be installed... Alternatively, a bootable usb (install) image that can be dd:ed to

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread Iruatã Souza
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:26 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 03:31:14PM +0200, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: 9load has to die. Ideally, yes. I worked, a long time ago, with GRUB and finally realized that adding feature after feature we were just building another

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread erik quanstrom
mpintrenable: multiple botch irq 11, tbdf 500, lo 0068, n 0068 mpintrenable: out of choices eisa -1 isa 22 tbdf 0xc00d100 irq 11 intrenable: couldn't enable irq 11, tbdf 0xC00D100 for usbuhci mpintrenable: multiple botch irq 11, tbdf 500, lo 0068, n 0068

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread cinap_lenrek
0.26.0: usb 0c.03.00 8086/2834 11 4:1861 32 Intel Corporation 0.26.1: usb 0c.03.00 8086/2835 11 4:1881 32 - failed Intel Corporation 0.26.7: usb 0c.03.20 8086/283a 11 0:fe226c00 1024 - failed Intel Corporation 81EC1043 (?) ICH8 Enhanced USB2 Enhanced Host

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu May 10 17:42:46 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: 0.26.0: usb 0c.03.00 8086/2834 11 4:1861 32 Intel Corporation 0.26.1: usb 0c.03.00 8086/2835 11 4:1881 32 - failed Intel Corporation 0.26.7: usb 0c.03.20 8086/283a 11 0:fe226c00 1024 -

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-10 Thread cinap_lenrek
from reading the source, it looks like mpintrenable() just tries isa if everything else fails: tbdf = v-tbdf; if(tbdf != BUSUNKNOWN (vno = mpintrenablex(v, tbdf)) != -1) return vno; ... if(mpisabus != -1){ vno = mpintrenablex(v,

[9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread Vincent Zhao
I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9, can my dream come true?

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread Burton Samograd
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Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread John Floren
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Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread sl
A Thinkpad X60 or X61 works great and is very light, too. I have an X61T that works great with 9front. The T61 is also a good choice (almost identical hardware to the X61T, but with no tablet and a 14 1280x800 screen). Some caveats: - There are no known working Mini PCI Express wifi cards - apm

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On 05/09/2012 05:44 PM, Vincent Zhao wrote: I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9, can my dream come true? Toshiba Portege M300. Everything but wifi works as expected.

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread sl
Thinkpad T23 is the canonical Plan 9 laptop. Everything I've tried on it works: apm, sound, wifi. The Actiontec 800MIP (branded WaveLAN) wifi card it ships with actually works. Thinkpad T42 is likewise well supported. The wifi card(s) it shipped with did not work for me, but its Mini PCI slot is

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread erik quanstrom
Another option for wifi is PCMCIA, which has the benefit of being available on almost all laptops. However, I've not had great luck. not so much anymore. - erik

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread Burton Samograd
...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of s...@9front.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:29 AM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!! Thinkpad T23 is the canonical Plan 9 laptop. Everything I've tried on it works: apm, sound, wifi

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread Burton Samograd
, 2012 10:40 AM To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Subject: Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!! What do you think the compatibility of getting an Actiontech 800MiP card and using it in an X60? I like the form factor of the X60 plus the better specs, I'm just not sure

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread sl
What do you think the compatibility of getting an Actiontech 800MiP card and using it in an X60? ThinkWiki says the X60 is Mini PCI Express, not Mini PCI. Unfortunately, the cards are not compatible. You could try to acquire a WaveLAN PC24E-H-FC. -sl

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread sl
Also, all I can find on ebay is the 802MiP which looks to be a wifi/modem combo. Any idea if this is compatible with the 800MiP? No idea. -sl

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread sl
Another possibility for wifi would be something like the VAP11G wifi bridge dongle. These are small devices that bridge an Ethernet port to wifi. Note: I've never actually used one. -sl

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread Burton Samograd
: Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!! A Thinkpad X60 or X61 works great and is very light, too. I have an X61T that works great with 9front. The T61 is also a good choice (almost identical hardware to the X61T, but with no tablet and a 14 1280x800 screen). Some caveats

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread erik quanstrom
plan 9 supports up to 4g of memory, depending on the size of pci space, and 3.75g per process. - erik

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread Burton Samograd
: Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!! A Thinkpad X60 or X61 works great and is very light, too. I have an X61T that works great with 9front. The T61 is also a good choice (almost identical hardware to the X61T, but with no tablet and a 14 1280x800 screen). Some caveats

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread sl
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X61_Tablet -sl

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread John Floren
I've got one of those with the 1400x1050 display, it runs Plan 9 well, looks great, and has a fantastic screen. john On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM, s...@9front.org wrote: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X61_Tablet -sl

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread hiro
ThinkWiki says the X60 is Mini PCI Express, not Mini PCI. mhm, isn't mini pci express the newer smaller slot? I have an X60 and it has the old large slot which I think is called PCMCIA

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread sl
ThinkWiki says the X60 is Mini PCI Express, not Mini PCI. mhm, isn't mini pci express the newer smaller slot? I have an X60 and it has the old large slot which I think is called PCMCIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_PCI#Mini_PCI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pcmcia -sl

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread yang.zhao
Can Plan9 be installed on the Thinkpad x201i? Thanks. 2012/5/10 s...@9front.org ThinkWiki says the X60 is Mini PCI Express, not Mini PCI. mhm, isn't mini pci express the newer smaller slot? I have an X60 and it has the old large slot which I think is called PCMCIA

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2012-05-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Can Plan9 be installed on the Thinkpad x201i? Thanks. It works in RubeGoldberg 2.2 but will not autocompile freeway scuzzmonkey merge svn commitshare javahunk. // could not resist, apologies all round.

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2012-05-09 Thread Tristan
I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9, can my dream come true? I'm trying to make it. Though more a programmer's tablet than a laptop. Take care, Tristan