Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-18 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Hi I'm aware of XeTeX (I had mentioned XeLaTeX in an earlier thread), and yes, I understand one wouldn't be looking for identity with what other platforms support. I agree that one shouldn't be looking to ape, but rather to provide the same or more functionality in a better way. Perhaps I'll be

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-17 Thread Joel C. Salomon
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe bidirectional was mentioned already. The other thing that is

[9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread tlaronde
So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just for the framework, not for the code: I have removed unneeded dependencies). And it's all the latest versions of the programs. So some numbers: - You will need to download a bundle of 4 chunks (I will put all on

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Jacob Todd
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 01:57:56PM +0200, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: ... Nice work. Can't wait to try it. -- I am a man who does not exist for others. pgp5W3AtIaNFY.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread David Leimbach
Nice work! On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:57 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just for the framework, not for the code: I have removed unneeded dependencies). And it's all the latest versions of the programs. So some numbers:

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Alexander Sychev
Hello! Congratulations! Have you any plans to adapt the TeX for UTF-8 input? On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:57:56 +0400, tlaro...@polynum.com tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just for the framework, not for the code: I have removed

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread James Chapman
LaTeX does too. I have used it with a recent version of TeX Live to get greek and mathematical symbols in verbatim code listings. James On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be ported at some point?

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Alexander Sychev
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:07:14 +0400, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be ported at some point? IFAIK, XeTeX/XeLaTeX based on C++ code. K Karljürgen G. Feuerherm, PhD Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
1. IFAIK? Can't find that anywhere... 2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9? K Alexander Sychev santu...@gmail.com 16/04/2010 10:27:36 am On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:07:14 +0400, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread erik quanstrom
2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9? not supported by the plan 9 compilers. - erik

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of Karljurgen Feuerherm Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:20 PM To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! 1. IFAIK? Can't find that anywhere... 2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: Object-Orientation reduces static provability. True (or true enough)? Not to engender a flame war, but my gut says there must be some Eiffel, Smalltalk, and LISP folk out there who are big on provability, but I can

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
This doesn't make much sense to me. Object-orientation in itself is simply another level of data abstraction. And for the rest, I think provability is more theoretical than practical, other than the most trivial programmes. I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps more accurately am

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread erik quanstrom
I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps more accurately am increasingly getting the impression) that the plan9 community is reactionary rather than progressive... not a good characteristic if one is trying to make advances in comparison with one's predecessors... i think the plan 9

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
One question. Anyone tried get LaTeX on this TeX port? What are the missing pieces to make it run on it? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:17 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps more accurately am increasingly getting the impression) that the

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:05 PM To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: Object-Orientation reduces static provability. True (or true enough)? Not to engender a flame war, but my gut

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Joel C. Salomon
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Alexander Sychev santu...@gmail.com wrote: IFAIK,  XeTeX/XeLaTeX based on C++ code. XeTeX itself is based on patches to Knuth's WEB source code for TeX. It's the PDF-producing section (xdvipdf or some such) that's written using a C++ library for handling PDF.

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 07:46:08PM +0200, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: One question. Anyone tried get LaTeX on this TeX port? What are the missing pieces to make it run on it? I will release/publish the things on Monday I think. In theory, if LaTeX is still a set of macros, it should work

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of Karljurgen Feuerherm Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:11 PM To: 'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs' Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! This doesn't make much sense to me. Object-orientation in itself is simply another

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Ok--so it's agreed that it's not OO that's the problem, it's the users, then, who don't know which tool to use when. Not at all the same thing. And to be pedantic, since you give this example, the sun does revolve around the earth, so long as you choose the earth as your point of reference...

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Joseph Stewart
Sorry to be a grouch, but can we change this thread to OO instead of the advertised TeX:hurrah! thread? I'm interested in the TeX news, but not so interested in the OO/language debate that no doubt will go on for a while... Thanks! -joe On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of Karljurgen Feuerherm Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:15 PM To: 'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs' Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! Ok--so it's agreed that it's not OO that's the problem, it's the users, then, who

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread James Chapman
This page and its links maybe be interesting for understanding the relationship between latex and tex: http://www.tug.org/levels.html In my area of computer science all publications are written in latex and for a particular conference/journal a latex class or style file (I must admit to not

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Thanks for this. And yes, indeed, a step in the right direction! Best K James Chapman ja...@cs.ioc.ee 16/04/2010 2:37:20 pm This page and its links maybe be interesting for understanding the relationship between latex and tex: http://www.tug.org/levels.html In my area of computer

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe bidirectional was mentioned already. The other thing that is essential for folk like me is complete Unicode compatibility [Yes, I know. UTC has

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Jorden M
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe bidirectional was mentioned already. The other thing that is