I really like the GNU project's Texinfo markup language, which
sets on top of TeX, but you don't have to know TeX. (I've been using
Texinfo for 20 years, but don't know any TeX.)
I've written books in troff, Docbook/XML, and Texinfo, and Texinfo is
by far the easiest.
HTH,
Arnold
In article
On Fri Mar 25 07:52:10 EDT 2011, arn...@skeeve.com wrote:
I really like the GNU project's Texinfo markup language, which
sets on top of TeX, but you don't have to know TeX. (I've been using
Texinfo for 20 years, but don't know any TeX.)
I've written books in troff, Docbook/XML, and Texinfo,
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 08:25:27AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
i never could get past the fact that texbook reeks of hubris
and nih, nor forgive gnu for using info as an excuse for not
having man pages. that, and the fact that it's at least 100x
slower than troff, and the reader requires
My theory is that GNU tools were so bloated by design that they
realized that they couldn't write a decent man page for their tools
so they invented the info pages and the --help flag.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:25 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
On Fri Mar 25 07:52:10 EDT 2011,
On Friday 25 of March 2011 16:10:28 pmarin wrote:
My theory is that GNU tools were so bloated by design that they
realized that they couldn't write a decent man page for their tools
so they invented the info pages and the --help flag.
coil!dexen!~ $ 9 man rc | wc -l
496
coil!dexen!~ $ man
Well, I think it's more that Richard Stallman was so ridiculously in
love with ITS's documentation system (which was pretty good for its
time, I admit) that he decided to clone it for Unix.
Could the bloat of GNU tools merely be a ploy by rms to force people
into using info? :)
John
On Fri,
Evidence: http://jfloren.net/its-info.png
That's a screenshot of Info running on an ITS system :)
John
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:32 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote:
Well, I think it's more that Richard Stallman was so ridiculously in
love with ITS's documentation system (which was
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:25:27 EDT erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
On Fri Mar 25 07:52:10 EDT 2011, arn...@skeeve.com wrote:
I really like the GNU project's Texinfo markup language, which
sets on top of TeX, but you don't have to know TeX. (I've been using
Texinfo for 20 years,
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:32 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote:
Well, I think it's more that Richard Stallman was so ridiculously in
love with ITS's documentation system (which was pretty good for its
time, I admit) that he decided to clone it for Unix.
Could the bloat of GNU tools
troff got me my first job in the industry, working at SCO in the '80s
as a typesetter. I swore by my copy of Word Processing on the UNIX
System by Morris Krieger, and I'm shocked to not see it listed at
http://www.troff.org/books.html but a Google search shows that used
copies are still
i think everybody would appreciate one xor the other cleaned up,
de-pccified and added to the distribution.
I like this use of languages :)
The thread is getting big. Perhaps simply learning troff/tex is indeed easier.
But I really am no typesetter, just a simple computer user.
Tex is yet an
hello
html?
For those who use math in their docs, this might be of interest:
http://www.mathjax.org,
gabi
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:16 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote:
i think everybody would appreciate one xor the other cleaned up,
de-pccified and added to the distribution.
I like
http://troff.org has some good information. I especially recommend
Richard Stevens' notes on typesetting (TCP Illustrated et al) at
http://www.kohala.com/start/ (see the 'Typesetting' section towards the
end of that page).
--lyndon
On 22 March 2011 18:30, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
http://troff.org has some good information. I especially recommend Richard
Stevens' notes on typesetting (TCP Illustrated et al) at
http://www.kohala.com/start/ (see the 'Typesetting' section towards the end
Actually, I know of
Actually, I know of both mentioned places. But, as far as I know, the
very macros are not discussed anywhere. But I may be, of course,
wrong.
My guess is these works fall into two categories:
1) the author uses (say) ms, and extends it with macros in the document
source code to achieve the
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:21:55AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
[...]
In either case, the customizations are locked in with the document source
and don't get distributed. Or they are so tied in with a specific document
that they're of no practical use as standalone tools.
[...]
This
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 07:46:17PM +0100, tlaronde wrote:
If there is no good short authoritative book on troff, and if you are
not already proficient in troff, try TeX instead simply because of the
TeXbook if not something else.
And mind you, I know for sure there is TeX for Plan9---even if
If there is no good short authoritative book on troff, and if you are
not already proficient in troff, try TeX instead simply because of the
TeXbook if not something else.
And mind you, I know for sure there is TeX for Plan9---even if I'm the
only one interested in it; but it is published
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 02:48:58PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
If there is no good short authoritative book on troff, and if you are
not already proficient in troff, try TeX instead simply because of the
TeXbook if not something else.
And mind you, I know for sure there is TeX for
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:46:17 BST tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
If there is no good short authoritative book on troff, and if you are
not already proficient in troff, try TeX instead simply because of the
TeXbook if not something else.
Most TeX users are actually latex users, not raw TeX so
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:08:21PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
Most TeX users are actually latex users, not raw TeX so the
TeXbook is not terribly useful. But there are good books on
latex and there is a wealth of material online ( many
packages that work with latex). With TeXworks and TeXshop
the Te?book may be authoratative, but it's by no means short.
You can get started with the very first chapters. And once you stumble
upon something more special, you pick up the book.
300 pages without the appendices, and with exercices it's short; and
exhaustive. Compare with books about
There's 'Document formatting and Typesetting on the Unix System, Vol. I II'
by Narain Gehani and Steven Lally. They're available on alibris at a cheap
price. I unfortunately haven't had time to read them yet. I know there's
also more listed at troff.org.
On Mar 22, 2011 2:46 PM,
On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Jacob Todd wrote:
There's 'Document formatting and Typesetting on the Unix System, Vol. I II'
by Narain Gehani and Steven Lally. They're available on alibris at a cheap
price. I unfortunately haven't had time to read them yet. I know there's also
more listed at
A very gentle introduction about Troff macros is
A TROFF Tutorial by Kernighan. (http://www.kohala.com/start/troff/troff.html)
A great and complete book with macros like you are looking for is
Unix Text Processing. You can download it from
http://oreilly.com/openbook/utp/
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011
the Teχbook may be authoratative, but it's by no means short.
This is the argument I'd stand by.
I read the TeXBook and used (plain)Tex much before ever touching
troff, thus I have a good idea about how it is written and explained.
Being a physicist, I use latex for writing articles. I have
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:00:12PM +0100, Rudolf Sykora wrote:
Note, that neither plainTex nor troff handle cross-references,
automatic equation numbering, footnote numbering, table of contents,
etc. Nonetheless, mainly these listed features are often so needed.
Well I use a package
But as I said before, this is not for me a religious case. It happens
that I made my way with TeX (LaTeX was not my cup of tea from the very
beginning) without knowing troff.
Anyway, I do keep an eye on what you do with KerTeX. I appreciate
this. Having seen those 1GB TeX distributions out
Just now I am reading Unix Text Processing by Dale Dougherty and Tim
O'Reilly, a freely available book (pmartin proposes it as well). There
are several chapters on the topic, so perhaps I'll get what I want in
the end.
I was going to mention that one, but I figured it was so long out of
print
Hello everyone,
please, does somebody know of any troff macros that were used to typeset
books?
Can one get hold of e.g. macros used to typeset e.g. The AWK
Programming Language by Aho, Kernighan and Weinberger, or “The Unix
Programming Environment” by Kernighan and Pike?
I want to
seem to provide any documentation for the me macros, though. I'm
pretty sure Stevens talked about index creation on his web site, and
you might want to check Brian Kernighan's web pages as well.
--lyndon
Yes, that's true. He discusses an index production. Basically, if I
remember, he uses
Note, that neither plainTex nor troff handle
cross-references,
automatic equation numbering, footnote numbering, table of
contents,
etc. Nonetheless, mainly these listed features are often so
needed.
... What I am
trying to get
is something like eplain, but for troff. And I wanted to
I have only hesitated over the way (as described in my original, 1st,
post) how references that *depend on physical placement* of certain
text are to be coped with. (As with my page headings; or---probably
even harder so that at least 2-runs of troff are
inevitable---references to page
I believe it won't be hard to write a script to
translate bibtech references to refer's
I have a refer contrib package, mostly based on forsyth's port but which
includes a few tweeks and bib2ref.c which attempts, rather naïvely, to do
this translation.
-Steve
I believe it won't be hard to write a script to
translate bibtech references to refer's
I have a refer contrib package, mostly based on forsyth's port but which
includes a few tweeks and bib2ref.c which attempts, rather naïvely, to do
this translation.
i put both on my system last year for
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