Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down menus, multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. Oh, no!!! ++pac

Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread Yaroslav
I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. 2012/3/13 Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com: It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down menus, multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. Oh, no!!! ++pac -- - Yaroslav

Re: [9fans] pxeboot tftpd

2012-03-13 Thread Yaroslav
Yes, tftpd becomes none and calls newns(2), thus the only way to have /net.alt populated for it is through /lib/namespace, as you figured out. -- - Yaroslav

Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Mar 13 07:31:46 EDT 2012, yari...@gmail.com wrote: I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. this project is too large for a summer. - erik

Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Mar 13 09:01:07 EDT 2012, quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Tue Mar 13 07:31:46 EDT 2012, yari...@gmail.com wrote: I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. this project is too large for a summer. however, implementing tls1.2 is not. - erik

Re: [9fans] pxeboot tftpd

2012-03-13 Thread Jeff Sickel
Also note: Some old 9fans mails requested help solving DHCP errors showing up like: !Discover(hwa01_204e7f518eeb via 192.168.0.239): no binding :: I don't think there was a concise description of what the solution was in the prior threads. Here's a small attempt: The DHCP discovery

Re: [9fans] pxeboot tftpd

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
I don't think there was a concise description of what the solution was in the prior threads. Here's a small attempt: The DHCP discovery error occurs because dhcpd will only only provide an IP address on the subnet for the inquiry. In this case a device defaults to ip=192.168.0.239

[9fans] hardware device line - what about the file resource hardware devices that are supported

2012-03-13 Thread Christoph Paschke
I'm a newbe at Plan 9 and I got Inferno and Octopus just running. I writing first limbo programs and I like it. + Made in plane C + resource is a file and not complicated proprietary drivers + it can be run such easy and small with emu at each system (I have Mac) + interconnect of resources And

Re: [9fans] hardware device line - what about the file resource hardware devices that are supported

2012-03-13 Thread Nemo
For the octopus we wrap underlying MacOS X or Linux devices, and then use them. For native plan 9 I don't know if there's a working usb camera. I think there was some, long ago, but I'm not even sure.

Re: [9fans] hardware device line - what about the file resource hardware devices that are supported

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Mar 13 13:26:41 EDT 2012, n...@lsub.org wrote: For the octopus we wrap underlying MacOS X or Linux devices, and then use them. For native plan 9 I don't know if there's a working usb camera. I think there was some, long ago, but I'm not even sure. wasn't that a tv tuner? - erik

[9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread V-CA ! Christoph Paschke
@Nemo Ok,I just want start with a very easy constellation: 1.) I installed octopuson top of myMacMini (newest version) at my televison in living room, he running also Mac-Server 2.) I got the terminal started at an older MacBook 3.) I have a HP Envy 100 WLAN Inkjet printer / Scanner integrated

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2012-03-13, at 11:14 AM, V-CA ! Christoph Paschke wrote: For me it is most important that I can realize what is promised from that operting system according all resources, also devices are a file and that this idea is more than a theory! This only applies if you're running native Plan

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread Nemo
I think in the octopus we have a print device that used the underlying default printer. It should be in /mnt/print or /mnt/terms/yourmachinename/print Take a look to the start scripts to see if print is starting or printing some diagnostics. So, cp afile.pdf /mnt/print should print it there.

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2012-03-13, at 11:55 AM, Nemo wrote: What Lyndon said is also true, btw. I'm not saying it's not. Only that you can also wrap non-native devices with little file servers, as in this case. It's just very confusing knowing how P9 concepts apply in an emulated environment. It's frustrating

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
It's just very confusing knowing how P9 concepts apply in an emulated environment. It's frustrating even for those of us (okay, me) who have been tooling around with P9P (and the like) for years. Every day a new surprise ... :-| p9p's raison is to get along with the local environment,

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2012-03-13, at 12:03 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: this naturally puts it somewhat at odds with itself. Sadly, I think that's what turns people away from Plan 9: they only get to see a pale shadow of its worth :-(

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Mar 13 15:08:48 EDT 2012, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: On 2012-03-13, at 12:03 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: this naturally puts it somewhat at odds with itself. Sadly, I think that's what turns people away from Plan 9: they only get to see a pale shadow of its worth :-( its a plan 9

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:14 AM, V-CA ! Christoph Paschke c.pasc...@me.com wrote: @Nemo Ok, I just want start with a very easy constellation: 1.) I installed octopus on top of my MacMini (newest version) at my televison in living room, he running also Mac-Server 2.) I got the terminal

Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote: It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down menus, multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. Oh, no!!! ++pac Oddly enough, that idea does not come with the rider, And then

Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
Oddly enough, that idea does not come with the rider, And then force Peter to use the library exclusively. I somehow doubt that acme will suddenly turn into an MS Word-esque monstrosity simply because someone has created a successor to libpanel. libpanel could be classified as a hate crime

[9fans] olpc wifi (libertas)

2012-03-13 Thread Tristan
i've just barely have a driver from the usb incarnation of marvell's libertas hacked together. as in i can boot over it (with hardcoded association) so long as i don't load the kernel over it (apparently openfirmware doesn't reset it when finished). it's not really in any sort of shape to have

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread Tristan
So, my question: Doesn't it makes sense that some hardware like CAMs or USB-Scanners are working with Plan 9. I mean: There is a good system but as I understand there is absolutely no device what I can buy and connect to it. Is this a stupid question? Sure I could now spend endless times in

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
folks don't write code until they want it. until now, nobody has cared enough about cameras or scanners or printers (though i thought ethernet connected printers work more or less (but i've never printed anything)) to do anything. now you care, maybe you'll write them. the beauty of plan 9 is

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: folks don't write code until they want it. until now, nobody has cared enough about cameras or scanners or printers (though i thought ethernet connected printers work more or less (but i've never printed anything)) to

[9fans] user oriented driver interface, advanced efficiency trimmed GUI

2012-03-13 Thread V-CA ! Christoph Paschke
@Tristan yes, that's what I wanted explain with GSoC. Need be something what realy brings the Plan 9 system forward I think. Also, you maybe never use a printer or any other hardware devices, with me and most business applications it is just opposite. Since I can remember there are 2 branche lines

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread Tristan
or maybe some common user-oriented device support like this would make a good Google Summer of Code project? you'd do much better in gsoc if you limited your scope. i would imagine so, but it wouldn't be up for me to specify which one. i'm not qualified for gsoc. (read some as 'one of x'

[9fans] duppage

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
with panic's duppage fix, i get hits. Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: minooka# duppage: p-ref 2 != 1 Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: duppage: p-ref 2 != 1 Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: duppage: p-ref 3 != 1 Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: duppage: p-ref 2 != 1 Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: duppage: p-ref 2 != 1 Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: duppage: p-ref

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Tristan wrote: So, my question: Doesn't it makes sense that some hardware like CAMs or USB-Scanners are working with Plan 9. I mean: There is a good system but as I understand there is absolutely no device what I can buy and connect to it. Is this a stupid

Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread Anthony Sorace
I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. This has obvious utility, but I'm hesitant to add it without a mentor who can vouch for its suitability for a summer-sized student project, and who'd be willing to mentor a good proposal for it. To me, it seems larger than that, but I'd be

Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Mar 13, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. This has obvious utility, but I'm hesitant to add it without a mentor who can vouch for its suitability for a summer-sized student project, and who'd be willing to mentor a good