Re: [9fans] cheap, low-resolution terminal

2009-01-28 Thread Akshat Kumar
2009/1/27 Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com: ... Ergonomics is a successful sales pitch, after all. Yes, Plan 9 should have kept it succinct and simply employed that as a (marketing) buzzword. research, simplicity, ..., let record show that these aren't marketable in the software

Re: [9fans] cheap, low-resolution terminal

2009-01-28 Thread matt
Eris Discordia wrote: Late bloomers, eh? I wrote that... lemme see... more than two weeks ago and I get responses now?! By the way, you have an utterly strange, yet totally fascinating, keyboard, matt. Why exactly does it have to be shaped like that? I mean, are you using a Maltron because

Re: [9fans] Sources Gone?

2009-01-28 Thread Iruata Souza
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Uriel urie...@gmail.com wrote: Mercurial and git solve all replica problems, and some more. They are infinitely faster, more reliable, and more useful. And in some ways they are even conceptually simpler (I never quite understood some of the most subtle points

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Rudolf Sykora
2009/1/16 Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com: Hello list, --- so is there any place where I could read how to set up my usb mouse, step by step? (As I mentioned, now my touchpad works but mouse -- Genius NetScroll EYE/USB -- does not.) --- whatabout sound? Does anybody have Realtek AC97

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Just noticed this mail. Did you try with usb/kb ? Does it have problems handling your mouse? In general, usbstart should do the thing for you. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/16 Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com: Hello list, --- so

Re: [9fans] Sources Gone?

2009-01-28 Thread erik quanstrom
They [hg/mecurial] are infinitely faster, more reliable, and more useful. And in some ways they are even conceptually simpler (I never quite understood some of the most subtle points of replica, like why it keeps saying it needs to update files that were already updated if I happen to have

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Rudolf Sykora
Did you try with usb/kb ? Does it have problems handling your mouse? In general, usbstart should do the thing for you. Well, now I am booted to windows, being at home. When I reboot to plan9 I have neither a mouse nor the internet connection. So I can only reply from windows and any attempt

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
The mouse if it's USB and you have a kernel with USB. Is that the case? On 1/28/09, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: Did you try with usb/kb ? Does it have problems handling your mouse? In general, usbstart should do the thing for you. Well, now I am booted to windows, being at

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Steve Simon
you mention the touchpad - I guess this is a ps2 device rather than a usb one (though I may be wrong). You should be able to start that using mouse=ps2 in your plan9.ini. --- whatabout sound? Does anybody have Realtek AC97 audio working? There are two ac97 drivers written independently, I

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Rudolf Sykora
2009/1/28 Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org: The mouse if it's USB and you have a kernel with USB. Is that the case? The mouse is a usb one for sure. I believe the kernel is with USB, but how can I say for sure? R

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Try to see if you can list #U If you can't that's the problem. You also need kbin. Perhaps looking at /dev/drivers is easier to see if you have both. If you can you might run USB/kb by hand to see if that works. On 1/28/09, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/28 Francisco J

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Akshat Kumar
In relation to this: in Install mode on the Plan 9 ISO, my USB keyboard is usable, but my USB mouse does not function (cause the pointer to move). Is this normal? ak

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
can happen. Depends on how you start USB kb On 1/28/09, Akshat Kumar aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote: In relation to this: in Install mode on the Plan 9 ISO, my USB keyboard is usable, but my USB mouse does not function (cause the pointer to move). Is this normal? ak

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Akshat Kumar
2009/1/28 Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org: can happen. Depends on how you start USB kb I don't -- that part was automagic.

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Rudolf Sykora
2009/1/28 Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org: Try to see if you can list #U I can list #U, I get many items listed. If you can't that's the problem. You also need kbin. Perhaps looking at /dev/drivers is easier to see if you have both. Looking in the /dev/drivers file I again can see #U.

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Try running it with debug enabled. Also. Sorry. Mouse does not require kbin. On 1/28/09, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/28 Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org: Try to see if you can list #U I can list #U, I get many items listed. If you can't that's the problem. You

[9fans] for all you people writing Plan 9 papers ...

2009-01-28 Thread ron minnich
handy: http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/plan9.html ron

Re: [9fans] for all you people writing Plan 9 papers ...

2009-01-28 Thread jameschoate
It is incorrect, missing at least the Sys Admin magazine article from Feb. 04 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: handy: http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/plan9.html ron -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jamescho...@austin.rr.com james.cho...@twcable.com

Re: [9fans] Sources Gone?

2009-01-28 Thread lucio
- find fossil's last score (using fossil/last command) - format fossil partition with that score (flfmt command) It may be necessary to go back one score, the morning surprise tends to be after the archive snap. I had to hack vacchain to return the score audit trail. Ask Russ for the

Re: [9fans] Small program PlanKey (paraphrase of DOSKey)

2009-01-28 Thread lucio
personally, i agree it makes the button 2 menu too long. i'd remove cut, paste, and probably snarf, since i almost always do them by chording anyway. That is a good suggestion. Look, Prev and Next would all be useful and long menus are only a problem on small screens. I keep using Snarf, I

[9fans] Ogg/Vorbis ported

2009-01-28 Thread Mathieu Lonjaret
Hello all, Subject says it all; as my first port I did libogg and libvorbis. I did it mainly as a learning exercise, so it's far from perfect, but both the libs compile as well as the simple encoder and decoder from the 'examples' dir. I have not tried the encoder, but the decoder seems to be

Re: [9fans] pull doesn't work due to unavailable sources; travelmate 291LCi specials

2009-01-28 Thread Dave Eckhardt
There are two ac97 drivers written independently, I believe there are links on the wiki to them. The one written by CMU students has been tested on a bunch of Intel hardware and knows how to work around busted motherboards which don't clock samples at the right rate (apparently this was popular

Re: [9fans] Ogg/Vorbis ported

2009-01-28 Thread hiro
That's great. There's also the celt codec, which has low delay and a quality which is pretty much from outer space... I thought about it, but can't port it. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Mathieu Lonjaret lejat...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Subject says it all; as my first port I did libogg

Re: [9fans] Small program PlanKey (paraphrase of DOSKey)

2009-01-28 Thread erik quanstrom
That is a good suggestion. Look, Prev and Next would all be useful and long menus are only a problem on small screens. I keep using i find the long menus troublesome on all screens. - erik

[9fans] Plan 9 talk/video

2009-01-28 Thread john
Well, for anyone who is interested, I recently gave a talk about Plan 9 at a meeting of the Society of Software Engineers at RIT, and the slides and a video are up at http://sse.se.rit.edu/programs/tech-talks/plan-9 There's probably not much in there for people who are already using Plan 9, but

Re: [9fans] Small program PlanKey (paraphrase of DOSKey)

2009-01-28 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
2d menus won't work if there are more than, say, 4 or 6 options. I learned that after experimenting with omero and olive. They can be more convenient than regular menus, but you must still limit the number of options. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com

Re: [9fans] Small program PlanKey (paraphrase of DOSKey)

2009-01-28 Thread Akshat Kumar
Yes, it is more about the number of options than anything else. Ever seen desktop menus on FVWM, XFCE, etc.? Disgusting -- and overly complex. In Plan 9, we like keeping just the essentials, but then the problem is that the essentials are different for everyone else and their mothers. It turns

Re: [9fans] Small program PlanKey (paraphrase of DOSKey)

2009-01-28 Thread erik quanstrom
On Wed Jan 28 19:28:29 EST 2009, aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote: Yes, it is more about the number of options than anything else. i go a little further. after using acme, menus sure feel clunky. right click in 9term behaving as in acme would be a bonus in my book. even better would be