I am agreed with Federico,
vmware. Do not spend time with other emulators.
El 15 de abr de 2010, 9:02 p.m., Federico G. Benavento
benave...@gmail.com escribió:
vmware, the rest just suck, qemu and virtual box being
the slowest
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Joel C. Salomon
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 02:30:15PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
gcc(1) is very verbose (well: I always set -Wall). ken-cc
is---surprise---more laconic; but when he was saying: no! he was right,
for things that were going silently under NetBSD.
compile with -FVTw. -T causes type
On 15 Apr 2010, at 16:38, hiro wrote:
Plan 9 is not trying to be compatible to linux.
What does this have to do with the present discussion? We are
discussing something which has to run on linux, and on *BSD and other
things: 9vx.
--
Simplicity does not precede complexity, but follows
On 15 Apr 2010, at 15:29, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
Please don't compare apples with oranges.
I'm sure you have not read, Program design in the UNIX® environment
(http://werc.homelinux.net/links/reference_material/unix_prog_design.pdf
);
these notes are still valid today and are
-T is great. But Python can't be built with it. Python explicitly
creates functions with type signatures that don't match and this makes
-T very unhappy.
Just a warning: it's good to turn it on, but there are cases where it
will lead to an error that is not an error (depending on how you
define
-T is great. But Python can't be built with it. Python explicitly
creates functions with type signatures that don't match and this makes
-T very unhappy.
Is there a #pragma to turn off type checking on a symbol,
somthing like #pragma incomplete?
-Steve
Your point is valid. Back to work...
On 4/16/10, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote:
On 15 Apr 2010, at 15:29, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
Please don't compare apples with oranges.
I'm sure you have not read, Program design in the UNIX® environment
So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just
for the framework, not for the code: I have removed unneeded
dependencies). And it's all the latest versions of the programs.
So some numbers:
- You will need to download a bundle of 4 chunks (I will put all on
On Fri Apr 16 05:23:38 EDT 2010, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
-T is great. But Python can't be built with it. Python explicitly
creates functions with type signatures that don't match and this makes
-T very unhappy.
why would they do that?
Just a warning: it's good to turn it on, but there are
Plan 9 is not trying to be compatible to linux.
What does this have to do with the present discussion? We are
discussing something which has to run on linux, and on *BSD and other
things: 9vx.
sorry for adding to this thread.
i think the original point is valid. while 9vx does live
compile with -FVTw. -T causes type signatures to be
emitted. the linker won't link mismatched type signatures.
i've found this to be very useful.
Thanks: I will add the flags by default in the Plan9 parameter file
in my framework. Even if it does not catch all, it will help.
-T is
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 07:04:20PM -0600, EBo wrote:
Steve Arons steve.ar...@gmail.com said:
For Glenda: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/glenda.html
unfortunately neither that page no the documentation explicitly state what
copyright and/or use restrictions for the images are.
Maybe
On Fri Apr 16 08:35:29 EDT 2010, eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Is Fossil (with Venti) the only filesystem which provides daily
snapshots? I've been meaning to ask this for some time.
cwfs/kenfs provide daily snapshots, which they call dumps.
see /sys/doc/fs/fs.ps
- erik
Is Fossil (with Venti) the only filesystem which provides daily
snapshots? I've been meaning to ask this for some time.
--
Simplicity does not precede complexity, but follows it. -- Alan Perlis
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 01:57:56PM +0200, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
...
Nice work. Can't wait to try it.
--
I am a man who does not exist for others.
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Nice work!
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:57 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just
for the framework, not for the code: I have removed unneeded
dependencies). And it's all the latest versions of the programs.
So some numbers:
Hello!
Congratulations!
Have you any plans to adapt the TeX for UTF-8 input?
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:57:56 +0400, tlaro...@polynum.com
tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just
for the framework, not for the code: I have removed
LaTeX does too. I have used it with a recent version of TeX Live to
get greek and mathematical symbols in verbatim code listings.
James
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote:
XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be ported at some
point?
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:07:14 +0400, Karljurgen Feuerherm
kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote:
XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be ported at some
point?
IFAIK, XeTeX/XeLaTeX based on C++ code.
K
Karljürgen G. Feuerherm, PhD
Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies
with some nic drivers (myricom) requiring a vast amount of
buffer space, and the general pc split between user space
and kernel space on a 4gb machine giving only 71mb to
the kernel (1.6%), i find it necessary to set *kernelpercent
on a few machines that have 3-4 nics. unfortunately, the
kernel
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Federico G. Benavento
benave...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com
wrote:
My computer died, so I'm in the market for a new one. I figure I'd
like to get back into hacking on Plan 9 so I plan to install it
1. IFAIK? Can't find that anywhere...
2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9?
K
Alexander Sychev santu...@gmail.com 16/04/2010 10:27:36 am
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:07:14 +0400, Karljurgen Feuerherm
kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote:
XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be
2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9?
not supported by the plan 9 compilers.
- erik
if you want to use cwfs as your boot filesystem. i made the program
arguments in a way compatible to kfs so you can put it in your kernel
image as kfs and boot from it. it also doesnt need special
boot/local.c and a loopback network to mount it anymore. for
convinience, i hacked the device
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of
Rodolfo (kix)
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:20 AM
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install
I am agreed with Federico,
vmware. Do not spend time with other
-Original Message-
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of
Joel C. Salomon
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:51 AM
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:56
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of
Karljurgen Feuerherm
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:20 PM
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!
1. IFAIK? Can't find that anywhere...
2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9?
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
Object-Orientation reduces static provability.
True (or true enough)?
Not to engender a flame war, but my gut says there must be some
Eiffel, Smalltalk, and LISP folk out there who are big on provability,
but I can
if you want to use cwfs as your boot filesystem.
could you send me the diffs offline. this may be a
good solution for laptops. kfs is nice, but history
is a lot to give up. venti+fossil seems too dangerous.
the disadvantage is using cwfs vs fossil is that you cant have
themporary snapshots
On 16 Apr 2010, at 17:40, Patrick Kelly wrote:
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On
Behalf Of Rodolfo (kix)
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:20 AM
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install
I am agreed
This doesn't make much sense to me. Object-orientation in itself is simply
another level of data abstraction. And for the rest, I think provability is
more theoretical than practical, other than the most trivial programmes.
I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps more accurately am
I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps
more accurately am increasingly getting the
impression) that the plan9 community is reactionary
rather than progressive... not a good characteristic
if one is trying to make advances in comparison with
one's predecessors...
i think the plan 9
One question. Anyone tried get LaTeX on this TeX port?
What are the missing pieces to make it run on it?
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:17 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps
more accurately am increasingly getting the
impression) that the
The only emulator you're spending time on is Qemu, the rest are
virtualizers or simulators, and there is a significant difference.
Emulators are much slower, because of what they have to do.
Qemu is capable of full emulation, but when host guest architecture match
(or are compatible,
I was just speaking generally.
One of my major programming languages is Ada, and I doubt anyone would say that
isn't big on provability. I've used objects a couple times, in places where
they do in fact help, but those cases are, in general, not read properly. Using
an object in the wrong
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Alexander Sychev santu...@gmail.com wrote:
IFAIK, XeTeX/XeLaTeX based on C++ code.
XeTeX itself is based on patches to Knuth's WEB source code for TeX.
It's the PDF-producing section (xdvipdf or some such) that's written
using a C++ library for handling PDF.
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 07:46:08PM +0200, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
One question. Anyone tried get LaTeX on this TeX port?
What are the missing pieces to make it run on it?
I will release/publish the things on Monday I think.
In theory, if LaTeX is still a set of macros, it should work
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of
Karljurgen Feuerherm
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:11 PM
To: 'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'
Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!
This doesn't make much sense to me. Object-orientation in itself is simply
another
Ok--so it's agreed that it's not OO that's the problem, it's the users, then,
who don't know which tool to use when. Not at all the same thing.
And to be pedantic, since you give this example, the sun does revolve around
the earth, so long as you choose the earth as your point of reference...
Sorry to be a grouch, but can we change this thread to OO instead of the
advertised TeX:hurrah! thread?
I'm interested in the TeX news, but not so interested in the OO/language
debate that no doubt will go on for a while...
Thanks!
-joe
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of
Karljurgen Feuerherm
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:15 PM
To: 'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'
Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!
Ok--so it's agreed that it's not OO that's the problem, it's the users, then,
who
This page and its links maybe be interesting for understanding the
relationship between latex and tex:
http://www.tug.org/levels.html
In my area of computer science all publications are written in latex
and for a particular conference/journal a latex class or style file (I
must admit to not
Thanks for this.
And yes, indeed, a step in the right direction!
Best
K
James Chapman ja...@cs.ioc.ee 16/04/2010 2:37:20 pm
This page and its links maybe be interesting for understanding the
relationship between latex and tex:
http://www.tug.org/levels.html
In my area of computer
This afternoon I downloaded a trial version of VM Fusion (Version
3.0.2 (232708)) and a fresh plan9.iso.bz2 and installed it on my core
2 due macbook running OS X Leopard (Version 10.5.8).
It works quite nicely, graphics and networking are both working. The
only things that tripped me up were I
I have had parallels working on several occasions in the past but a
recent attempt to get it working again failed. I couldn't even get it
to boot the installer.
I just did a Parallels 5 on Snow Leopard a few days ago. To get anywhere
you have to use a 9atom ISO. I have a terminal instance
Also, echo -n 'accelerated 0' /dev/mousectl is required to get the
mouse under control.
On Fri Apr 16 15:57:33 EDT 2010, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
Also, echo -n 'accelerated 0' /dev/mousectl is required to get the
mouse under control.
i've turned off mouse accelleration completely in 9atom. i do
the multplication in the kernel, rather than relying on the
mouse to do it
I just did a Parallels 5 on Snow Leopard a few days ago. To get anywhere
you have to use a 9atom ISO. I have a terminal instance installed but
haven't had time to do any serious banging on it. I have noticed that
twice now 9pcf has panicked while the VM instance was sitting idle. I
don't
please send the panic message. would like to fix.
panic: kernel fault: no user process pc=0xf01f047b addr=0x02cc
panic: kernel fault: no user process pc=0xf01f047b addr=0x02cc
dumpstack disabled
cpu0: exiting
(the panic line does print twice)
--lyndon
hmm. I'm using parallels 5 on leopard (not snow) and it works just fine with the
std distribution.
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:04 PM, erik quanstrom
quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote:
On Fri Apr 16 16:55:02 EDT 2010, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
please send the panic message. would like to fix.
It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some
things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe
bidirectional was mentioned already.
The other thing that is essential for folk like me is complete Unicode
compatibility [Yes, I know. UTC has
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote:
It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some
things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe
bidirectional was mentioned already.
The other thing that is
On 16 Apr 2010, at 18:48, Patrick Kelly wrote:
The only emulator you're spending time on is Qemu, the rest are
virtualizers or simulators, and there is a significant difference.
Emulators are much slower, because of what they have to do.
Qemu is capable of full emulation, but when host
On Fri Apr 16 16:51:50 EDT 2010, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
please send the panic message. would like to fix.
panic: kernel fault: no user process pc=0xf01f047b addr=0x02cc
panic: kernel fault: no user process pc=0xf01f047b addr=0x02cc
dumpstack disabled
cpu0: exiting
(the panic
The following is not a troll. (the subject is for the sake of humor only)
On Friday 16 April 2010 11:10:28 Patrick Kelly wrote:
Have you look at what Plan 9 has done? I would hardly go to say we are
reactive. Every other system has reacted to what Plan 9 has done, not the
other way around.
TL;DR
too long for me to read, could you summarize in 3 lines?
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Corey co...@bitworthy.net wrote:
The following is not a troll. (the subject is for the sake of humor only)
On Friday 16 April 2010 11:10:28 Patrick Kelly wrote:
Have you look at what Plan 9 has done? I
Messy, with high levels of noise-to-signal - certainly... but absolutely,
astoundingly productive and in constant motion.
In my opinion, most of the output from the Posix developers is trash.
It's the equivalent of a cancer, polluting the body with poisons.
Somewhere in the mix there will
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