Yes, I run Go on native Plan9,
Go breaks away from a number of traditions that have long become
obsolete and that is its main merit. The price is not only in having
to adjust to the change, but also in some sacred cows being
slaughtered in the process.
But Go also opens the door to better ways
the block bitmap on a fakeworm is at the end of the sub
device/partition. see fworm.c:
int
fwormread(Device *d, Off b, void *c)
{
Iobuf *p;
Device *fdev;
Devsize l;
if(chatty 1)
fprint(2, fworm read %lld\n, (Wideoff)b);
fdev = FDEV(d);
oh! nice!
that resolves all.
thanks a lot
i will try
On 2013/03/25, at 16:19, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
the block bitmap on a fakeworm is at the end of the sub
device/partition. see fworm.c:
int
fwormread(Device *d, Off b, void *c)
{
Iobuf *p;
Device *fdev;
Devsize
On Saturday 23 of March 2013 12:37:17 Rob Pike wrote:
(...) and because go install does
transitive dependencies correctly, which mk does not.
anybody care to explain what is the limitation of mk here? can't wrap my head
around it...
--
dexen deVries
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anybody care to explain what is the limitation of mk here? can't wrap my head
around it...
It only knows about the rules you give it. It does not understand the real
dependencies in your software.
Also, because of this you tend to give it general rules which are not always
right.
There are
It does not understand the real dependencies in your software.
what does understand mean in that context?
I would think if this is all done automagically with go it would need
to follow even more general rules, no?
mk doesn't parses '#include' directives in C and even if it did, it
wouldn't help.
I think that's what hes referring to.
2013/3/25 hiro 23h...@gmail.com
It does not understand the real dependencies in your software.
what does understand mean in that context?
I would think if this is all
On Mar 25, 2013, at 11:33 AM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote:
what does understand mean in that context?
I would think if this is all done automagically with go it would need
to follow even more general rules, no?
No, they are concrete and specialized for go (the language). Go (the tool)
knows
On Mar 25, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Bence Fábián beg...@gmail.com wrote:
mk doesn't parses '#include' directives in C and even if it did, it wouldn't
help.
I think that's what hes referring to.
Yes.
On Monday 25 of March 2013 11:33:55 hiro wrote:
It does not understand the real dependencies in your software.
what does understand mean in that context?
I would think if this is all done automagically with go it would need
to follow even more general rules, no?
if mk understood 8c's
On Monday 25 of March 2013 11:40:32 Bence Fábián wrote:
mk doesn't parses '#include' directives in C
gnu make can use output of gcc -M as rules describing prerequisites. it's
somewhat tedious and error-prone, though, as indicated by multitude of -Mx
file options.
--
dexen deVries
of course, the deeper you go into this rabbit hole, the closer you get to
something resembling GNU autotools.
The autotools attempt to be the answer to questions that have stopped
being asked ten or twenty years ago. That baggage is what I presume
the Go developers have tried to eliminate in
What if you want to make postscript from troff files?
Mk is a general tool and a good one. But it will never
have intricate knowledge about the files it works on.
2013/3/25 dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com
if mk understood 8c's construct ``#pragma lib libbio.a'' and used it to
link
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:43:36AM +0100, dexen deVries wrote:
if mk understood 8c's construct ``#pragma lib libbio.a'' and used it to
link
correct libraries, it could be said to understand the actual dependencies as
expressed by code.
Except that there is a topological sorting to be
On 25 March 2013 11:16, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
since the
linking with libraries is order dependent. And one will need to
explicitely state that some lib depends on some others for the
linking (except if the symbols in the library are scanned to detect
unsatisfied dependencies and a
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:55:19AM +, Charles Forsyth wrote:
the loaders do that using pragma lib:
The order of search to resolve undefined symbols is to load
all files and libraries mentioned explicitly on the command
line, and then to resolve remaining
[Mk] only knows about the rules you give it. It does not
understand the real dependencies in your software.
Also, because of this you tend to give it general rules
which are not always right.
I thirk this might be a good place to mention that I'm
working on a build tool which, in effect,
On Mon Mar 25 07:10:21 EDT 2013, beg...@gmail.com wrote:
What if you want to make postscript from troff files?
Mk is a general tool and a good one. But it will never
have intricate knowledge about the files it works on.
mk does know how to expand and archive (see ar(6)) and
tell if the source
On Mon Mar 25 06:27:26 EDT 2013, pau...@gmail.com wrote:
anybody care to explain what is the limitation of mk here? can't
wrap my head around it...
It only knows about the rules you give it. It does not understand the
real dependencies in your software. Also, because of this you tend
On Mon Mar 25 00:37:51 EDT 2013, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
i was thinking about this some time ago... theres the fakeworm
device fsubdevice that will maintain a block bitmap of
the blocks that have already been written. one could write
a program that also backups the block bitmap and on
neither is a big issue in practice. but that leads me to an interesting
question, does go rebuild everything if the go compiler has changed?
i think it stops at package runtime. at least that's what it builds
first when I tell it to rebuild everything.
On 23/03/2013 20:23, ron minnich wrote:
I'll happily pay the price of bigger binaries for things such as the %v format.
I don't write hello, world that often, or even care about its size when I do.
One demo we used to do for Unix was show we could write an executable
program that was 2 bytes.
it is better to have efficient backup tool. (but not exists yet though)
cwfs is not so easy to backup compared to venti.
venti is easy to backup because filled areas are shielded and guaranteed not
to be modified.
but cwfs is not. unwritten blocks exist in deep dumped area.
these blocks
In C, source files do not depend on other source files, they merely depend on
headers, eg:
foo.$O: foo.c foo.h bar.h
bar.$O: bar.c bar.h baz.h
baz.$O: baz.c baz.h
So, because the dependencies exist and do not depend on the outputs of other
commands, it's possible to build the
I know that the population of 9fans contains a sizeable percentage of
people who would like to cast Plan 9 in amber, to hold it immutable as
an example to future generations. That's an unrealistic expectation.
Maybe, but maybe that's the best we can do, given that the conditions
that gave
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:19 PM, s...@9front.org wrote:
Maybe, but maybe that's the best we can do, given that the conditions
that gave rise to Plan 9 have long ceased to exist and are unlikely to
recur.
And maybe we're missing the point but there are still
a few of us out there using Plan
And how do you manage to browser the web?
9front did some work on mothra. For trivial javascript
I try charon (which was sufficient to configure my wifi
router). As a last resort I VNC to another operating
system.
For the vast majority of what I do, mothra is sufficient.
-sl
Maybe, but maybe that's the best we can do, given that the conditions
that gave rise to Plan 9 have long ceased to exist and are unlikely to
recur. A version of Plan 9 untainted by the predominance of the Intel
and Windows philosophies is needed to reminds us of how things could
have turned
what conditions do you feel gave rise to plan 9 that no longer exist?
Modem speeds below 19200bps? Reality engines costing as much as
houses and considerably less accessible? Skill sets in IT
practitioners way above the norm? Everything that the desktop PC
eventually brought to an end, I
what conditions do you feel gave rise to plan 9 that no longer exist?
I think there is a feeling that Plan 9 was created to address
specific problems (refraining from turning easy jobs into hard
jobs, translated as getting real work done on slow hardware) that
have been overtaken by history and
In a word, elitism, largely earned rather than inherited. You did
ask!
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4398842
it doesn't matter if it's real or not :)
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 01:51:56PM -0600, andrey mirtchovski wrote:
In a word, elitism, largely earned rather than inherited. You did
ask!
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4398842
it doesn't matter if it's real or not :)
This is the first time, I feel I match one criterion to
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 03:38:26PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
what conditions do you feel gave rise to plan 9 that no longer exist?
- erik
Bell Labs' budget, talent pool, and institutional administrative
philsosophy.
khm
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 07:31:27PM +, aram wrote:
And how do you manage to browser the web?
It is possible to use computers without also using javascript.
khm
if mk understood 8c's construct ``#pragma lib libbio.a'' and used it to
link
correct libraries, it could be said to understand the actual dependencies as
expressed by code.
of course, the deeper you go into this rabbit hole, the closer you get to
something resembling GNU autotools.
I
It is possible to use computers without also using javascript.
But it's a strange thing to want to do. A bit like asking for the
Ford Model T gear shift in a modern car.
Choices have been made by those who had the right influence (you may
want to call it power) and some of those choices were
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