Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
would be nice to put all the hardware support together. That would be wonderful. But it does require resources to deal with incompatibilities as well as different perception of value. My angle her is that I'm mostly working with obsolete equiopment and I am extremely reluctant to watch Plan 9

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 8 May 2014 02:38, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: haha you said exactly the same thing I confined myself to instructions relating to sources, which isn't mine.

[9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
Hi, Just trying to tap the collective brains fo the plan9 community. Anyone done any hard realtime programming? I am looking for a simple GUI tool which will read a text file I can generate from my code and display a timing diagram. This should allow either events triggered by the clock, by an

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu May 8 01:57:57 EDT 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: would be nice to put all the hardware support together. That would be wonderful. But it does require resources to deal with incompatibilities as well as different perception of value. My angle her is that I'm mostly working with

[9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
Ok, spurred into action. I have pushed out some work in progress. A little radio app for plan9. This has few features and may not seem worth the effort to some but it is planned to be the basis for an embedded radio device so it needs a little GUI and user interface. Currently I use this at

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread cinap_lenrek
Now, this is incompatible with the original Soundblaster stuff and no one seems to care to deal with the incompatibilities. wrong. it has been dealed with. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
Now, this is incompatible with the original Soundblaster stuff and no one seems to care to deal with the incompatibilities. wrong. it has been dealed with. Not in the Bell Labs distribution, it hasn't. At least, not that I noticed. And that was just a convenient example. ++L

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Bakul Shah
On May 8, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Anyone done any hard realtime programming? I am looking for a simple GUI tool which will read a text file I can generate from my code and display a timing diagram. This should allow either events triggered by the clock, by

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
We are losing the 'reference implementation' from which the branches can be compared. But is this a necessary consequemce of Bell Labs' distance, or merely the way the community operates? A reference point need not itself be in use by all involved, it just needs to move slowly enough for a

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu May 8 07:59:12 EDT 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: We are losing the 'reference implementation' from which the branches can be compared. But is this a necessary consequemce of Bell Labs' distance, or merely the way the community operates? A reference point need not itself be

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu May 8 07:22:41 EDT 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: Now, this is incompatible with the original Soundblaster stuff and no one seems to care to deal with the incompatibilities. wrong. it has been dealed with. Not in the Bell Labs distribution, it hasn't. At least, not that I

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
It is this ongoing level of petty pissiness that has led to the fragmentation of the community. It's poorly phrased and even offensive, but the answer is not out there in the public domain. Nor is the list of tasks to be undertaken in the shape for a GSOC project. But maybe, just maybe, if

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
since it's not clear to me from reading this (forgive my reading comprehension), i run 9atom on rb, kw, and rpi in addition to amd64. i run the pc and pcpae kernels when there are changes. i know others also run 9atom on the rb. sadly i don't have a teg2 or original beagle. One can

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
so, someone (cinap) does care about the incompatabilities and has addressed them. i think what you're saying is nobody has gotten this in to the distribution. fair point. why don't you submit a patch? I ought to, I'm not sure how soon I'll get to it (I'm just a normal Joe, I also fix

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
I don't understand why realtime matters. Only that such diagrams are more important in realtime systems. How do you want these events represented on the timing diagram? I suspose a clock line, left to right, at the top. events appear as signals, one below the other running paralle to the

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 8 May 2014 13:46, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: not enough Internet credits to sustain efforts ... Or a working e-mail supplier (they've blocked Google): Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: lu...@proxima.alt.za Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
But maybe, just maybe, if the community can get its act together to support a codereview type approach, we can ask Coraid to sponsor the minimum resources required by it. I don't have a clue to the details, but I would be thrilled to contribute. i think you're suggesting using some sort of

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 8 May 2014 13:46, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: not enough Internet credits to sustain efforts ... Or a working e-mail supplier (they've blocked Google): This is what happens when people vote for Julius Malema. khm

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: for what it's worth, i review all the changes made to plan 9 and 9front and apply what makes sense. Some subset of the 9front people also do this with various publicly- available resources, like 9changes and 9atom. I'm not sure of the value of a

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
Somthing like graphviz for timing diagrammes. It's been a long time since I checked, but have you looked at MRTG? ++L

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: My fault, my spam rules reject and ban IP addresses if mail is sent to a non-existent recipient in the proxima.alt.za domain. I have whitelisted a block of gmail IPs, but that's a moving target. Should be fixed now. ++L

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
On Wed May 7 21:40:05 EDT 2014, k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: they weren't shot down, but saying use MY distribution over here, or use MY distribution over here, what i said was that both 9front and 9atom have the relevant bits in an easily

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
This is what happens when people vote for Julius Malema. How do you know this? ++L

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread balaji
When Charles brought up that 64bit binaries can be built from Labs distribution, it would have been so much simple if either 9atom or 9front owners took a quick look at what was there and confirmed what he meant by binaries. To a lot of lurkers it's still not clear what the labs amd64 binaries

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Bakul Shah
Would https://github.com/drom/wavedrom do? See the tutorial. Step 8 shows bezier arrows linking waveforms. And it seems to be actively developed. There is a command line version as well. On May 8, 2014, at 5:52 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: I don't understand why realtime matters.

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 8 May 2014 15:14, balaji balaji.srinivasa+pl...@gmail.com wrote: To a lot of lurkers it's still not clear what the labs amd64 binaries are. bootable kernel? commands? it turned out that it didn't include any of it, except the compilers. i am attempting to address this oversight.

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
Would https://github.com/drom/wavedrom do? Yep, pretty darn good. maybe a little teeth gritting as its JS but what the heck, its a tool and that is all that really matters. Thanks very much. -Steve

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 8 May 2014 15:51, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: That's the result of bad thinking by the Internet's fathers you blame the parents?

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
you blame the parents? I've been known to. In this case, I do think the stage was set, rather than grabbed. Of course, opinions are allowed to differ. ++L

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Bakul Shah
On May 8, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Would https://github.com/drom/wavedrom do? Yep, pretty darn good. maybe a little teeth gritting as its JS but what the heck, its a tool and that is all that really matters. Wavedrom's input language seems simple enough

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Jeremy Jackins
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: thing, javascript is not a thing that happens on this operating system. Here is a screenshot of a javascript interpreter running on plan 9. https://github.com/robertkrimen/otto

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Jeremy Jackins jeremyjack...@gmail.com: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: thing, javascript is not a thing that happens on this operating system. Here is a screenshot of a javascript interpreter running on plan 9. https://github.com/robertkrimen/

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:06:11 BST Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: A little radio app for plan9. This has few features and may not seem worth the effort to some but it is planned to be the basis for an embedded radio device so it needs a little GUI and user interface. Currently I use

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Jeremy Jackins
I'm not trying to weigh in on the discussion. I posted the link in case someone in the community is interested. This software has only been working on plan 9 since fairly recently, thanks to a lot of hard work on the Go port from a few members of this community.

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
I have a hifiberry (http://www.hifiberry.com/) nicely minimalist, though no driver at present - I will await the GSOC project :-) I have some itron VFDs from work, 256 x 64 pixel. I like these as the visibility is excellent. The only annoyance is they have a parallel interface and I use up all

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 08 May 2014 18:58:31 BST Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: I have a hifiberry (http://www.hifiberry.com/) nicely minimalist, though no driver at present - I will await the GSOC project :-) I have some itron VFDs from work, 256 x 64 pixel. I like these as the visibility is

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I suggested porting rtlsdr library for a GSoC project, but not takers; if anyone is interested in collaborating on this let me know. the majority of the work is moving the library off of libusb and replacing the pthread junk with thread(2). rtlsdr handles any DVB-T receiver that uses the

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
Perhaps we should a page on the wiki: Work in progress Stalled projects Work I plan to progress Work I would like somone to do The theroy is it might inspire people and maybe reduce duplication of effort. Just a thought. -Steve

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Steven Stallion
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Perhaps we should a page on the wiki: Work in progress Stalled projects Work I plan to progress Work I would like somone to do The theroy is it might inspire people and maybe reduce

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
that's what i was thinking too. i think most of the time, most of the information is available; it's just that they don't show up in a search or no search is done. P.S. i'm sure sp9sss conspiracy theorists will disagree :) On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.com

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread James A. Robinson
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Anyone know of such a tool? I see masses of tools for drawing digital logic timing diagrams but nothing that seems to give me what I need for realtime code. I haven't done realtime programming, so my apologies if I miss a