Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?
My most current frustration (a bit off topic) is Skype's keystroke echo latency, whatever the cause. I can't cope with it, yet I have to use it for employment reasons. It reminds me that upas with acme Mail is immeasurably faster at reading and reacting to mail than the bloat I need to use as a mailer: Thunderbird; and less buggy. Sadly, I could choose my mailer, in this case, but mailman queue moderation in Plan 9 is just not viable unless I code my own tool chest for that and I just have too many higher priority tasks to do that. It nags me, just not enough. So, why is my main workstation a Plan 9 one? I think the most significant reason may well be that a top-of-the-line Apple laptop is way beyond my means; I rage against Apple, yet I have seen too many people I respect switch to Apple and even though I believe the reason is fashion rather than practicality, I cannot stop the suspicion that the only barrier to me capitulating too is my lack of funds. So, that bit aside, a native Plan 9 environment is what I enjoy developing small prototype tools (software tools), which is what I mostly do for a living, in Go. Big screen, fast reaction on old hardware, seamless compilations and testing and, best of all, platform independence (also "it keeps me honest"). And Go has so many native libraries, I can play with PostgreSQL or OpenLDAP and many other foreign services without touching Linux for hours on end (no open Windows, here, with really, really rare exceptions). There is a middling list of improvements I would like, some needing hard work (Go's Shiny), some in the middle (proper SSH functionality, native to Plan 9 - I haven't had a chance to mess with Go's options), and some trivial (vmx is a recent discovery, I haven't had the time to set up a working, integrated instance of 9front, upas or similar is the pressing one). But it all helps me keep my sanity and that makes up for a lot of shortcomings. Lucio. On 6/14/18, 刘宇宝 wrote: > Compared to "not for you", "don't care", "intend to not be successful", I > like more the topic of cat-v irc channel on freenode set by aiju: "fun > fact: you can use multiple operating systems at the same time". > > Certainly Plan 9 can't replace Linux/macOS/BSD/Windows, I'm still curious > its upper bound for a sensible daily usage, and the best practice from you > happy experienced Plan 9 users. > > I checked mail headers in this mailing list, seems all use Apple Mail, > iPhone Mail, WebMail with AJAX, Gmail(a lot), ProtonMail, these emails went > through Postfix and Exim servers, probably on Linux. > > In great harmony, we use kinds of operating system and kinds of software on > them. > > Regards, > Yubao Liu > >> On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:53 AM, N. S. Montanaro wrote: >> >> I think a lot of people discover Plan 9 and want it to be something it >> isn’t, rather than stumble upon it out of necessity. As the FQA says, >> “Plan 9 is not for you." > > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 FAX: +27 58 653 1435
Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?
Compared to "not for you", "don't care", "intend to not be successful", I like more the topic of cat-v irc channel on freenode set by aiju: "fun fact: you can use multiple operating systems at the same time". Certainly Plan 9 can't replace Linux/macOS/BSD/Windows, I'm still curious its upper bound for a sensible daily usage, and the best practice from you happy experienced Plan 9 users. I checked mail headers in this mailing list, seems all use Apple Mail, iPhone Mail, WebMail with AJAX, Gmail(a lot), ProtonMail, these emails went through Postfix and Exim servers, probably on Linux. In great harmony, we use kinds of operating system and kinds of software on them. Regards, Yubao Liu > On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:53 AM, N. S. Montanaro wrote: > > I think a lot of people discover Plan 9 and want it to be something it isn’t, > rather than stumble upon it out of necessity. As the FQA says, “Plan 9 is not > for you."
Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?
I think a lot of people discover Plan 9 and want it to be something it isn’t, rather than stumble upon it out of necessity. As the FQA says, “Plan 9 is not for you."
Re: [9fans] how to undo in Rio shell window and Acme editor?
As a small extra hint if you ever need to work outside Acme, any delete of selected text is effectively a cut. You can paste it back in. I used to use that like undo all the time. On Wed, May 9, 2018, at 7:32 AM, 刘宇宝 wrote: > Hi all, > > Recently I started an adventure to 9front and found Plan 9 very > interesting. I have thoroughly read the FQA and manual pages at > 9front.org, and searched the web, but still don't know how to undo wrong > typing in Rio shell window and Acme editor's tag line, I'm surprised > and not so used to the facts that: > > * I can edit the output of a command in shell window, no way to undo > > * I can change or delete the tags for Acme editor and its column, no way > to undo, although the tags for Acme window can't be edited. > > I miss much the *universal* shortcut Ctrl-z on Window and Command-z on > macOS, does Rio and Acme have the equivalent? > > > And one more question about Acme: how to quickly enter command? In VIM, > I can enter ...comand, in Acme I have to move cursor to > command area and click, input command, press , click middle mouse > button on the highlighted command, is this the fastest way to input > command in Acme? > > > Thanks, > > Yubao Liu > > -- The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer
Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?
[sorry to cross post to 9front, hope somebody there can double check] Uh, is the mailing list down? I can't find any new emails after 5/14 at https://marc.info/?l=9fans, also can't connect to http://mail.9fans.net/. > On Jun 11, 2018, at 2:14 PM, 刘宇宝 wrote: > > Yesterday night I finished the sixth article of my Plan 9 adventure series at > Zhihu, a Chinese Quora like site, https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/c_185117725 > > I feel many things are interesting and special, such as Rio(simple and > beautiful, love it), Acme(so easy to extend), 9p(simple and clean), rc(right > shell), but I'm still not very used to heavy use of mouse. > > I find a bunch of game emulators, instruction simulators, fs servers, > incomplete POSIX environment, all seem very old, this makes me wondering > whether anybody still seriously uses(or used?) Plan 9 for serious work, what > software they frequently use, what software is most lack of. > > For my daily work and hobby, I use macOS for Desktop and Linux for Server, > most frequently used softwares include: > > * iTerm2+Vim+Spacemacs: I can use Acme + rc instead. > * SSH:Plan9 has an old SSH client. > * Perl, Python, NodeJS: Probably I can't get latest versions and enough > support for their C extensions, it's basically fine, I can edit it with Acme > and run on Linux. > * VirtualBox: I haven't played vmx. > * Firefox:I heard there is an old version running on X. Abaco > and Mothra are not enough to render correctly most (crappy) web pages. > * Apple Mail: haven't played upasfs, I guess this is enough. > * Wechat: certainly not exist on Plan 9, it's fine, it doesn't exist on > Linux too. > * Video Player: don't know any on Plan 9. > > So far, seems the most lacking software for me is a good enough Web browser. > > Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't care whether Plan 9 will win the market, I'm > just curious whether Plan 9 can still be used seriously. > > Thanks, > Yubao Liu > > >
[9fans] looking for tcl/tk sam clone
i had a copy of sam clone written entirely in tcl/tk, "tsam" or something, but I've lost it. where can i download it from, please? -- The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer
[9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?
Yesterday night I finished the sixth article of my Plan 9 adventure series at Zhihu, a Chinese Quora like site, https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/c_185117725 I feel many things are interesting and special, such as Rio(simple and beautiful, love it), Acme(so easy to extend), 9p(simple and clean), rc(right shell), but I'm still not very used to heavy use of mouse. I find a bunch of game emulators, instruction simulators, fs servers, incomplete POSIX environment, all seem very old, this makes me wondering whether anybody still seriously uses(or used?) Plan 9 for serious work, what software they frequently use, what software is most lack of. For my daily work and hobby, I use macOS for Desktop and Linux for Server, most frequently used softwares include: * iTerm2+Vim+Spacemacs: I can use Acme + rc instead. * SSH: Plan9 has an old SSH client. * Perl, Python, NodeJS: Probably I can't get latest versions and enough support for their C extensions, it's basically fine, I can edit it with Acme and run on Linux. * VirtualBox: I haven't played vmx. * Firefox: I heard there is an old version running on X. Abaco and Mothra are not enough to render correctly most (crappy) web pages. * Apple Mail: haven't played upasfs, I guess this is enough. * Wechat: certainly not exist on Plan 9, it's fine, it doesn't exist on Linux too. * Video Player: don't know any on Plan 9. So far, seems the most lacking software for me is a good enough Web browser. Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't care whether Plan 9 will win the market, I'm just curious whether Plan 9 can still be used seriously. Thanks, Yubao Liu
[9fans] 9hist
Hi, I had not realised that the whole database of the early history of the plan9 kernel is available as a single tar image (see /n/sources/extra/9hist). has anyone tried (for fun) writing a script to reverse (patch) the diffs and populate a directory of the form dump//mmdd/sys/src/9/... ? -Steve
Re: [9fans] simple rc problem in p9p (on OpenBSD)
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Costin Chirvasuta wrote: > I lot of the messages on this list end up being marked as spam. I > believe there was a previous discussion about this. I've had no trouble with this list on fastmail.fm , for what it's worth.
[9fans] raspberry pi kernel update
I've made an update to the rpi 2 & 3 kernel source (armv7.s and rebootcode.s) which fixes a couple of long-standing flaws in the multicore startup: - dependency on the order of object files for the 5l command in the mkfile, resulting in "lock loop" or "only 1 cpu started" error for some configurations - flakiness in /dev/reboot, making it unreliable except with *ncpu=1 It should now be possible consistently to reboot a pi in multicore mode from a named file using the 'reboot' or 'fshalt -r' command. This extends the possibilities for using the Plan 9 kernel itself as a boot loader (with an rc script as /boot/boot), eg to boot from an AoE server or over a wifi connection.
[9fans] raspberry pi kernel update
I've made an update to the rpi 2 & 3 kernel source (armv7.s and rebootcode.s in /n/sources/contrib/miller/9/bcm) to correct a couple of long-standing flaws in the multicore startup: - dependency on the order of object files for the 5l command in the mkfile, resulting in "lock loop" or "only 1 cpu started" error for some configurations - flakiness in /dev/reboot, making it unreliable except with *ncpu=1 It should now be possible consistently to reboot a pi in multicore mode from a named file using the 'reboot' or 'fshalt -r' command. This extends the possibilities for using the Plan 9 kernel itself as a boot loader (with an rc script as /boot/boot), eg to load a kernel from an AoE server or over wifi.
