Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 12:00:02AM +, Stuart Morrow wrote: > > I'm aware. I meant the intended use by the people who designed it. I > wouldn't call a number pad a pointing device just because it can be > used as one. > Apologies to Ted Selker, but it's a poor tool that only functions in accordance with its designer's intent. I wouldn't call a number pad a pointing device either, but I see no need for a Cardassian "there are two buttons" reality-denial session for a pointing device that clearly has three. To update my previous reply on this thread, the left mouse button of my LTRAC trackball suffered from a failed microswitch. While shopping around for replacement parts I stumbled across a vendor that carries several three-or-more button pointing devices. Content warning for the faint of heart: the following page refers to non-mice as 'mouse products.' https://www.fentek-ind.com/ergmouse.htm And for the record, P.I. Engineering will not sell spare parts for the LTRAC units, but will send you links to Digikey pages to order your own. khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-Mc7ced772c99a52e354070f70 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?
> That scroll button nonsense is a function of the Windows driver. On all > Thinkpads the buttons present as a normal three-button mouse, with > left, middle, and right-click. Using a better operating system, or > failing to install the Trackpoint drivers, leads to normal > functionality. I'm aware. I meant the intended use by the people who designed it. I wouldn't call a number pad a pointing device just because it can be used as one. > I have never seen a trackpoint user accidentally type 'u', and this is > coming from someone who has used trackpoints as their primary pointing > device from the late 1990s until about six months ago. How exactly did > you come to this conclusion? I wonder if this is unique to a particular > model? I have at least one of every IBM, Lexmark, or Dolch produced > trackpoint keyboard, and I'd love to try to reproduce. It's just something that happens to some of us sometimes. https://youtu.be/zW-Kwkc13dw?t=904 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-Mfeef88144c527c5f97e7177e Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:09:24PM +, Stuart Morrow wrote: > On 01/02/2022, Ben Hancock wrote: > > as well but have yet to become adept at the trackpoint. Do you find > > you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with a physical > > mouse? > > A trackpoint isn't a real three-button mouse by Acme's standards. "A > real three-button mouse" is something that supports one-to-one > finger-to-button. A trackpoint is a two-button mouse with an > additional scroll button. It's designed for Windows and OS/2. That scroll button nonsense is a function of the Windows driver. On all Thinkpads the buttons present as a normal three-button mouse, with left, middle, and right-click. Using a better operating system, or failing to install the Trackpoint drivers, leads to normal functionality. This is also true of trackpoint-laden keyboards with the sole exception of the Lenovo "ThinkPad Compact Keyboard with Trackpoint" family of USB/Bluetooth models, and thanks to aiju a firmware fix is available to repair some of those. > Plus, trackpoint users will often accidentally type 'u', which on Plan > 9 means you lose what's in your snarf buffer. I have never seen a trackpoint user accidentally type 'u', and this is coming from someone who has used trackpoints as their primary pointing device from the late 1990s until about six months ago. How exactly did you come to this conclusion? I wonder if this is unique to a particular model? I have at least one of every IBM, Lexmark, or Dolch produced trackpoint keyboard, and I'd love to try to reproduce. khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-M3bca6dd44649fb27dfb95fc7 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?
a trackpoint is a 2-handed chording device. clearly it's limited, but still better than any touchpad (when you are constrained to a laptop on the go) On 3/23/22, Stuart Morrow wrote: > On 01/02/2022, Ben Hancock wrote: >> as well but have yet to become adept at the trackpoint. Do you find >> you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with a physical >> mouse? > > A trackpoint isn't a real three-button mouse by Acme's standards. "A > real three-button mouse" is something that supports one-to-one > finger-to-button. A trackpoint is a two-button mouse with an > additional scroll button. It's designed for Windows and OS/2. > > IBM-pattern mice (as in scrollpoint and original ThinkCentre) work for > me. The side walls are slightly off from vertical, for dovetailing* > into the thumb and outside finger. (Not relevant, but I've never seen > it commented on.) I haven't tried anything else. > > Plus, trackpoint users will often accidentally type 'u', which on Plan > 9 means you lose what's in your snarf buffer. > > For convenience, direct link to a picture of a "dovetail" joint: > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Finished_dovetail.jpg/1920px-Finished_dovetail.jpg > (since it seems these are named after a different animal in every > single language) -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-M02cfae3bd125a7bf0b7e6060 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?
On 01/02/2022, Ben Hancock wrote: > as well but have yet to become adept at the trackpoint. Do you find > you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with a physical > mouse? A trackpoint isn't a real three-button mouse by Acme's standards. "A real three-button mouse" is something that supports one-to-one finger-to-button. A trackpoint is a two-button mouse with an additional scroll button. It's designed for Windows and OS/2. IBM-pattern mice (as in scrollpoint and original ThinkCentre) work for me. The side walls are slightly off from vertical, for dovetailing* into the thumb and outside finger. (Not relevant, but I've never seen it commented on.) I haven't tried anything else. Plus, trackpoint users will often accidentally type 'u', which on Plan 9 means you lose what's in your snarf buffer. For convenience, direct link to a picture of a "dovetail" joint: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Finished_dovetail.jpg/1920px-Finished_dovetail.jpg (since it seems these are named after a different animal in every single language) -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-M18ed9c97f727cbf7c93d2d81 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?
Happy user of the Contour Rollermouse Red which I use with Acme. You can use it two-handed: one hand for cursor movement and one hand for clicking. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-Maedb66abd19b574a352f75d3 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
