understanding than I
spent myself, putting the emphasis on these sort of tools, is like
looking to the finger when plan9 shows you the moon.
I put now together: consistancy and concision:
hbrw, an hmg to Kn Thmpsn.
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between processes and that it is simplest to put them in the same
address space).
The most efficient is to have tools that match the way our brains work
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). Parallelism is more at a higher level: methodology,
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to succeed, they will claim
that the recipe is theirs.
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of a top to bottom thought.
The general papers about Unix and Plan 9, the explanations of the logics
of the whole can not be, IMHO, tagged as bottom to top. They are
simply to the point ;)
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hand, so the other is
free to slap when needed (and a foot free to kick if first lesson was
not received strong enough).
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which has put the
articulation (the network) on the wrong place: in X11, all the UI
handling, except dispatching window events, is done on the processing
unit (the client in X11 terminology).
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Key
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Im my previous message, obviously:
s/queue/push/g
s/dequeue/pop/g
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in BIOS to
let you play with the almost bare machine. I'd like to have a shell that
lets me play with the bare OS.
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since CWEB is hard can be only sustained by
people who don't use it.]
Will be quiet now (since having work using CWEB).
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.
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for
software only organizations).
This definitively doesn't mean NUMA has no raison d'être. On the
contrary, this is an argument supplementary to the distinction
between the UI (terminals) and the CPU.
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and the handling of users is so that a user
can randomly read/write (not sharable). A group can append/write but
without modifying records. And others can only (perhaps) read.
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or managing the thing. But I have the
impression that the Plan 9 framework is the best for such a scheme.
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on the
application side, for the rest my discussion of cloud computing could
be a discussion about vapor computing ;)
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with as the only means the users' hardware connected
is perhaps a WEB 3.0 or more, a 4th millenium idea etc. but is for me at
best an error, at worst a swindle.
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and as far as the OS is concerned
nothing has changed since the node is an unit, an atom. And trying
to solve the problem by breaking the border (going inside the atom)
is something I don't feel.
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not just rule things out because reasonable people
don't do them. Unreasonable people write apps too.
There are, from times to times, lists of Worst IT jobs ever.
I _do_ think yours should come first! Having to say: yes to an user...
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linking.
2) static shared libraries [your proposal]
3) dynamically linked shared libraries.
For what is worth, you can find explanations in Linkers and Loaders by
John R. Levine, Morgan Kaufmann, ISBN 1-55860-496-0.
HTH,
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by advertising a limited not crashing too
fast example.
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not sure that what
I do is not to be added to the list of don't do that things.
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terminal, CPU and fileserver. And Plan9 was
thought with SMP from the beginning. So why all is always Linux
based ? And no, I have no problem accessing my data wherever I go,
because it is _my_ data.
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programs.]
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problem, with lengthy explanations and so on, were
only showing that I was beating around the bush and had no clear
idea of what I was doing. It was the same with pure C, except it
was not as obvious.
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this ergonomy.
Has somebody hints?
TIA
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pain, since it must be work...
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plan9
uninstallable on a floppy only machine, but impose an external mean to
load/bootstrap.
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,
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capabilities of a
bootloader you realize, too late, that you are creating another
kernel... and it's simpler to use a stripped kernel as the main part of
the bootstrap machinery.
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!
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or tracks followed
somewhere else.)
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...
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not (including me). Or because they are trying to learn C from another
book than KR's.
C shall be the test. If you don't even understand C, explained by KR,
then do something else.
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probably why FORTRAN is still here and has
still its strength in this area.
Just my 2 centimes,
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and completed in Selected Papers on Computer Languages,
Donald E. Knuth, CSLI ISBN 1-57586-382-0
presenting the state and achievement, among many others, of Zuss
Plankalkül (followed by Goldstine/von Neumann, Curry, Mauchly etc.).
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to understand the whole (too much, too long)
resulting in the impossibility to evolve...
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of OS dominating, there is a bias. And since, more and
more, even in open OSes, there are BLOBs...
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verifying the current
state (if one wants TeX, one must download an ISO DVD...), and verifying
that I can have hope to continue using TeX on my own, I put this
aside for the moment.
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the task.
Next news about this topic for test in January 2010 (end). This will be
my Happy new year to the bazaar model...
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. At least
for me, I will be free from anybody; I will depend only on my own
stuff maintenable (holding in my hand).
At the present time, teTeX is orphaned, and there seems to be only
TeXlive to download as a huge iso. This is simply crazy!
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here. i have to bind gs from the dump to print pdf.
Mind you, I have already cleaned the Augean stables of GRASS. I'm
currently (part time with some more involved stuff) cleaning the Augean
stables of the distribution of TeX, so...
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and to be sure I can do).
See you later...
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namespace?
More generally, what is the policy for add-ons? Providing rc(1)
fragments to bind the added stuff?
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.
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for duplicated things
etc.---, but I'm still cleaning things and going back to Knuth's books
to understand what to keep and what to delete in the change files. With
one or two hours per day at maximum, this will still take some
weeks (I think).
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wants.
Conclusion: it should be relatively easy for anyone to end with the
stuff where one wants.
There will be a default:
a) If there is some kind of majority.
b) If not, conform to where _I_ want to install for my own personal
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is: it will probably not be pure Plan9 at
first (for installation); but it should be trivial to adapt to whatever
one sees fit, and it will need less time to anyone to adapt than to
argue about taste.
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Key
.
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, you have _inhumanity_ since you have increasing of the
entropy that is disorder: order is unnatural, and is the mark of human
activity. Open source seems very natural in this sense: the bazaar...
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bits architectures?
/* shame */ I have only ia32 machines---and single core... and I haven't
wandered in the sources either...
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the printed docs (from Vita Nuova), have read them (some times
ago), but probably missed the bits because I was not focused on these
details then ;)
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the dump to load by looking at argv[0].
Cu soon,
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in this case for example).
- I have been hit by aux/getflags I think that doesn't like too many
arguments (typically a sed(1) with a bunch of -e s/.../.../g). I have
simply put the rules in a temporary file, and used sed -f.
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he was saying: no! he was right,
for things that were going silently under NetBSD.
And I like sam(1) too... Regexp and the mouse, that's it!
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signatures to be
emitted. the linker won't link mismatched type signatures.
i've found this to be very useful.
Thanks: I will add the flags by default in the Plan9 parameter file
in my framework. Even if it does not catch all, it will help.
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I think the web pages and the documentation will be online on monday. I
will drop a message when done.
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against the current state.
Welcome to prog'napping! Welcome to mob programming! 25 years of hassle
when it could have been simple.
Bazaar vs cathedral? A test case...
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could spare some hours...
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will finally be able to publish...
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.
Nonetheless, thanks for the tips, guys! but I think I have found:
-7 / 2 yields -3
(symetric of 7 / 2, but no guarante from C for negatives) while:
-7 1 yields -4
(floor, what is wanted by METAFONT).
Uh!
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.]
Do people having worked with the compilers (Charles Forsythe for
example) can infirm/confirm or make the explanations more complete?
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and for ken-cc to see where they do not
compute the same values. This will narrow the things and assembly, on
this, will give clues.
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] ;
}
lab10: ;
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[ bisectptr + 10 ] ;
} /* end true */
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). Yielding the correct value in x2, that is then
divided (or shifted) by 2, hence signed, and no problem?
I say non-sense: even in the assignment, there is still arithmetic
conversions: the '+'...
I don't get it...
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---more conform to what I
expected/the way I interpreted the norm---.
You gave a very simple test case for verifying a fix.
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Finally (english page):
http://www.kergis.com/en/kertex.html
and french page:
http://www.kergis.com/kertex.html
If I have correctly written the doc, enough said...
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when it should take M_plan9.
What gives you (under ape): uname -s?
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with:
../risk_comp/.../rkconfig -d 2/tmp/log
(You will have to remove /tmp/polynum.KERTEX_M* if it has been created).
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for this...;)
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; but if these are current Web2c, since they
redirect to texinfo, it is not a loss, but a gain...)
Schedule is dvips(1) in first half of May---I must go back intensively
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is used to enslave people.
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 01:45:14PM +0400, Alexander Sychev wrote:
Hello!
Thank you! I can't check TeX on Plan9 right now, but I'm going to do this
in the nearest future...
Can you please add these tips to the corresponding README on kergis.com?
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for the ones trying to organize these. I was engaged in the first
RMLL, and it is for sure work...
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, since a nearer but less used spot
can increase significantly the travel costs.
As said before, since I will unlikely be able to attend, my own living
location has not to be taken into account.
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is a sh(1) script), for example substituting
correct quoting rules ('' and not since rc(1) will take them as is)
for the definition of variables.
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# english (sort of)
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. Are there still ebcdic computers on run that may use
dvips(1) ?
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on another o/s will expect to find it.
If it is clearly documented, I don't think this is a problem. And since
I remove too, in the config file, the 'E' command allowing arbitrary
execution of commands via system(3), at least it will be clear that
something changed.
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since I say (harshly) far more often: no! than yes, and remove more
easily than I add... (starting by removing great ideas even
before starting to implement them...). So kerTeX will probably never be
very popular.
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of
the dumber of the group---because hidden in the community, without
responsability and protected by anonymity, individuals can dare things
that they will never do if they can be identified.
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Key
this phenomenon as
a new social paradigm.
Sigh... And this is with our money... But as soon as I read: INRIA, I
knew.
There is so much to be done, and so few to do.
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. But in a structure whose dedication
is artificial intelligence with arithmetic means (computers) but
without demonstrating first what is wrong or limited in Gödel and
Turing results... At least they can claim searching and justify not
finding...
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Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+ polynum
Tomas Rokicki's manual, included in source form in the
KerTeX distribution.
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Enjoy! (Well, I hope...)
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http://www.kergis.com/
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And I have forgotten the links:
http://www.kergis.com/kertex.html (français)
http://www.kergis.com/en/kertex.html (laronde's pseudo-english)
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http://www.kergis.com/
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), it
should work just adjusting the definition of the environment variables
for the paths (or putting the stuff where kerTeX expects them by default
to be).
Cheers,
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Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com
http://www.kergis.com/
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if the package is called kerTeX, I will _keep_ the
troff hability. (This means that mp(1) and dvips(1) can be used
also by people using troff(1) as their main typesetting system).
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http://www.kergis.com/
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the numbers are fixed from start.
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http://www.kergis.com/
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today to statically link
a program depending on X11. Hence, this solution needed to solve a
problem created (I tried to statically link an app depending
only on X11 and motif. Hell !...[and failure]).
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http
to be hold in
on hand.
Cheers,
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http://www.kergis.com/
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