Re: [9fans] Request for (constructive?) comments: Plan 9 : 2020
A new IWP9 would be great, and I'd be happy to help out in the preparation if needed and wanted, e.g. reading submissions, helping with troff formatting of papers or such (although no expert really). Regarding location, I'd try to attend anywhere suggested. The more important here is that some people are taking the initiative. Although anywhere Europe would be much closer to where I am, I think that the place might be more of an issue if it would happen more frequently than every five year :-) Jonas <-Ursprungligt Meddelande-> From: Iruat? Souza [iru.mu...@gmail.com] Sent: 23/10/2019 10:36:41 AM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Request for (constructive?) comments: Plan 9 : 2020 ?I suggest we do it somewhere in Europe. I have the impression most active users are here. On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 8:58 AM Steve Simon wrote: > > hi, > > i love the idea, what concerns me is the cost of a flight from the UK to Michigan. > > we shall see what tickets i can find. > > -Steve > > > > On 23 Oct 2019, at 6:49 am, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > > > ? > >> > >> Jeff (jas) and I have been chatting about organizing a "Plan 9 : 2020" > >> workshop. We're trying to gauge everyone's interest, and to solicit agenda > >> items, venue suggestions, and hopefully volunteers to help organize it. > > > > I'd be interested in attending, and I don't mind taking some time to > > help organize. > > > >> If you have a different suggestion, or are willing to offer a venue, please > >> comment. > > > > Some of us have also been talking about planning an OpenBSD-style > > hackathon. (OpenBSD hackathons: Get developers in a room, and write > > code for a week, exchanging ideas, trying to get commits into base and > > ports. Beer is usually involved.) > > > > We'd discussed putting together something like that for Plan 9 in the > > first half of 2020. Anyone hacking on Plan 9 related code would be > > welcome. > > > > I don't know if this is a different suggestion so much as a different > > event. Experience implies that merging the two together may be a bit > > too much in one shot. > > > > Expect a post about that when we start sorting out the details. > > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T63bc6dc40f27ab23-M8b84343762c7f 6f77e36d786 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T2e674653159c4ce8-Mbf949fb21ef547fa280dc5d4 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Trying to make 9front work on QWERTZ
I am not sure I will solve your problem, but maybe give some input. I had a similar problem (That the '<' key to the right of the left shift key on ISO-style keyboards didn't work) on a Bell Labs Plan 9 on my Raspberry PI (though it might nowadays, it is an old installation on that sdcard). It does however work on 9front on my Pi. If I remember correctly, I had the key working on a PC running Bell Labs Plan 9 if I connected the keyboard to PS/2, but not when connected to USB using a converter. But again, on 9front it works both on PS/2 and USB on that PC for me. Jonas <-Ursprungligt Meddelande-> From: Jens K. Loewe [jens.k.lo...@gmail.com] Sent: 24/7/2019 9:57:27 PM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: [9fans] Trying to make 9front work on QWERTZ Ahoy, I've been trying to give 9front a test ride for a while now, and I'm stuck with one specific problem. So I have a German keyboard layout where <, > and | are on the same key. However, while I have no problems with these keys, in 9front the key seems to be dead on all of my keyboards. I tried quite a lot of them, both inside QEMU on two different computers and on a dedicated ThinkPad. Also, using the de layout does not fix that. Is that a known problem or a configuration error? .
[9fans] hotels in dublin
Not het. Seems like there are two hotel choices; down-town, an nearer the Labs. Both nice looking. I think I'd choose the more popular one. So which one are you all considering the most?
Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse
I have used a Contour Mouse daily for over ten years, without it failing me once. It is the old model with a ball, and has a converter from RS-232 to PS/2. They are a bit pricey, but you can get them in different sizes; mine is Large and designed for left hand operation. The keys are mirrored in hardware so you don't even need to talk with /dev/mousectl for swapping buttons ;-) For what ergonomics is worth, I love the larger design that lets your whole palm rest on the mouse. /jonas Stuart Morrow wrote: Perfit mouse. I've never used one or anything, but it's what the thread asks for. http://www.contourdesign.com/ stuart
[9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
I am thinking of the durability of the URL:s for the various IWP9 articles. if www.iwp9.org will be reused for further hosting, a subdirectory (as in 'papers/4e/') might be a good idea.I suppose that some domain bloat is hard to avoid, when things are so decentralised ;-) /jonas Here is a second cut on the bibliographies...
Re: [9fans] more little hardware
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Re: [9fans] pineview atom
Maybe Supermicro X8SIL Don't know how well this card is supported by Plan 9, but it has a µ-ATX form factor and supports DDR3 ECC if you couple it with a Xeon 34xx in the LGA1156 socket. The Quad Core (no HT) Xeon L3426 is listed to have a TDP of 45 Watts. Albert Skye wrote: it supports 4gb of memory. of non-ECC memory, so nice terminal, bad server Any recommendations of similar hardware which does support SECDED ECC?
[9fans] How to mount a P9 partition?
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Re: [9fans] How to mount a P9 partition?
fossil/fossil -f /dev/sdD0/fossil -c 'srv fossil' Thanks for the advice! It complained about security, and have yet to learn how it works, but adding the option -A after 'srv' made it happier. So what I wrote was: fossil/fossil -f /dev/sdD0/fossil -c 'srv -A fossil' mount /srv/fossil /n/olddisk This seemed to work out very fine, but I soon relised that the content of /n/olddisk now was the filesystem on sdC0, instead of sdD0 as one might have expected? /Jonas -Ursprungligt Meddelande- From: Iruata Souza [iru.mu...@gmail.com] Sent: 19/2/2010 3:48:35 PM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] How to mount a P9 partition? fossil/fossil -f /dev/sdD0/fossil -c 'srv fossil' this should post /srv/fossil as you want. then you can proceed to mounting as you did with the cd. On 2/19/10, Jonas Amoson wrote: Hello! I am trying to access files that I have on a harddrive on which the Plan 9 installation refuses to boot. I am now booting from a new harddisk (sdC0) and would like to mount the file system of the problematic disk (now sdD0) in a directory (say /n/olddisk). I have succeeded to mount CD:s (sdD1) by starting 9660srv and mounting it from /srv: 9660srv -f /dev/sdD1/data mount /srv/9660 /n/cdrom My guess is that I have to start a file server in a similar fashion, and it does not complain when I write: fossil/fossil -f /dev/sdD0/fossil I was expecting some new entry named /srv/fossil that I could mount in a directory, but that does not seem to how it works. Running ls /dev/sd* gives the following: /dev/sdC0/9fat /dev/sdC0/ctl /dev/sdC0/data /dev/sdC0/fossil /dev/sdC0/nvram /dev/sdC0/plan9 /dev/sdC0/raw /dev/sdC0/swap /dev/sdD0/9fat /dev/sdD0/ctl /dev/sdD0/data /dev/sdD0/fossil /dev/sdD0/nvram /dev/sdD0/plan9 /dev/sdD0/raw /dev/sdD0/swap /dev/sdD1/ctl /dev/sdD1/raw /dev/sdctl Ppfont face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif size=2 style=font-size:13.5px___BRa style=font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: #00f href=http://spray.matchaffinity.se/?mtcmk=614114;strongSprayAffinity.se/strong - Träffa bara personer som passar dig!/a/font
Re: [9fans] How to mount a P9 partition?
I interpret you as: (1) the commands that I issued should work, at least on some machines. (2) the reason they don't work might depend on HW. The machine is an old Dell Pentium III and the disks are regular PATA-drives. I also tried to mount sdC0 with the same outcome. /jonas -Ursprungligt Meddelande- From: erik quanstrom [quans...@quanstro.net] Sent: 19/2/2010 6:01:57 PM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] How to mount a P9 partition? This seemed to work out very fine, but I soon relised that the content of /n/olddisk now was the filesystem on sdC0, instead of sdD0 as one might have expected? if these are actually sata drives, without a detailed motherboard manual or creative interpretation of the silkscreening on the motherboard in addition to some information on how bios is mapping sata ports, there's no telling where you're drive will end up. if you run in ahci mode, you can eliminate the bios mapping problem. then you'll be back to the previous situation where you only need to know how the ports on the motherboard are numbered. generally the motherboard manual will tell you which ports are which. that failing, sometimes you can see enough of the silkscreening to tell you which port is which. - erik . Ppfont face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif size=2 style=font-size:13.5px___BRa style=font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: #00f href=http://spray.matchaffinity.se/?mtcmk=614114;strongSprayAffinity.se/strong - Träffa bara personer som passar dig!/a/font
Re: [9fans] instructions to use .eps in troff wanted
The documents in /sys/doc does not contain many EPS pictures, but you can look at /sys/doc/8½/8½.ms Here is an example of what I used in my submission to IWP9'09 (I am using the ms macros): .KF .sp .BP figures/lyxlinux.eps 4.0 .EP .DS C Figure 1: Screenshot of LyX running under Linux. .DE .sp .KE .KF and .KE means that the picture floats in the document. .sp is vertical space .BP is inclusion of the eps file, 4 inches in height. .DS C Means that the caption (picture description) is centred. (did not make any automatic counting of figures here) .DE is end of the caption And I used the following command (in a mkfile) to generate: tbl gui.ms | troff -ms -mpictures | dpost -f gui.ps As you see, you have to tell that you are using picture inclusion macros. Everything under plan 9, using groff might differ... /Jonas Rudolf Sykora wrote: Hello, is there any good place where I could read how to embed some pictures into a troff document? Preferably a way that works in plan9, too... I can't find much about it anywhere. What do you use?
Re: [9fans] iwp9: getting from Atlanta to Athens
I will arrive already on Monday 2009-10-19 15:25. I do have a driving licence, but it seems odd that a rental car should be cheaper than the bus. But it's obviously a possibility if some one is also getting there on Monday. I am returning to Atlanta on Saturday morning (the flight departs 12:15). Looking forward to seeing you all! Jonas sqweek wrote: I arrive at Atlanta airport at 2009-10-20 17:20. Don't have a license, intend to take the athens airport express unless someone is there to coordinate with :) -sqweek
Re: [9fans] Getting printing to work over ethernet
I have not progressed any further in getting lp(1) to print to my networked printer. But by playing around, I found a work-around that solves my problem for the moment: cat myfile.ps | telnet tcp!192.168.1.101!9100 /jonas
Re: [9fans] Getting printing to work over ethernet
OK. that explains why adding FIFO didn't make any difference. But now I know that I have done whatever you are supposed to do to make it work, so I will try to track down why there are errors. Wanted to know if there was something else to configure or run for the magic to work. The only relevant documentation I've found on the subject is lp(1) and lp(8), and /sys/src/cmd/lp/. /jonas -Ursprungligt Meddelande- From: erik quanstrom [quans...@quanstro.net] Sent: 27/8/2009 2:33:34 AM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Getting printing to work over ethernet On Wed Aug 26 20:30:05 EDT 2009, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: The final `FIFO' in the scheduler column of /sys/lib/lp/devices has been optional for a while. Everybody uses FIFO now, so it's the default. is there a man page for those of us who are not quite following along with the format? - erik . Ppfont face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif size=2 style=font-size:13.5px___BRa style=font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; color: #00f href=http://www.eniro.se/?partnerid=spray_mail; target=_blankEniro Supersök - är vad det heter/a/font
[9fans] plan 9 floating point representation
Hello Hugo, Done some experiments with the indivudual bits in Lunix, and would be very surprised if it is not handled the same under Plan 9, given the same hardware architecture. The exponent is stored in base 2, but What might be a bit confusing, is that it is not stored using two's complement, but rather using a bias. If you have an exponent of 8 bits (in a 32-bit IEEE float) an exponent of zero is represented by '1000' or 127. Simply add the desired exponent, whether pos or neg. -1 will be 126, +1 will be 128. This link explains the whole thing in more detail: http://steve.hollasch.net/cgindex/coding/ieeefloat.html /jonas -Ursprungligt Meddelande- From: hugo rivera [uai...@gmail.com] Sent: 20/5/2009 11:50:51 AM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: [9fans] plan 9 floating point representation Hi, I am learning a bit about floating point representation and I am wondering about how plan 9 does this. According to IEEE 754 (I think) the convention used by C for single precision floating point numbers is to use 24 of the 32 bits available for the significand and 8 bits for the exponent. It seems to me that plan 9 follows this convention but I am still kind of puzzled about the base of the exponent. I've been experimenting (on a 386) a while and it looks like a base 4 to me, which is kind of strange, since I was expecting a base 2 or 10. I think I got something wrong, but I would appreciate if someone can explain this to me to have a better idea of how this works. It looks to me that this stuff is very machine dependent (or language?), is it? The point of all this is to classify raw data (4 byte length) according to their magnitude, I don't really care about the significant. This is just an exercise for me, since there are other easier ways to do it. Saludos -- Hugo . Ppfont face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif size=2 style=font-size:13.5px___BRa style=font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; color: #00f href=http://www.eniro.se/?partnerid=spray_mail; target=_blankEniro Supersök - är vad det heter/a/font
[9fans] To virtualise cpu/fs/auth-servers, or not?
The plan9-way seems to be to divide the tasks of running programs, storing files, authenti- cation and user interaction, to separate servers or computers. This makes sense in a large system with many users, but does it also have appeal in a system with at most a couple of users (mostly me)? How do you feel about using virtualisation (e.g. using vmware) for splitting the plan9- roles to different virtual machines? One take is that it is the task of the OS to handle different task securely and in isolation, but that it might be good to add layers, for the sake of robustness? Up till now, I have been drawterming to an all-in-one cpu/fs/auth-server. Nothing very demanding, really. More out for a philosophical discussion. Jonas Amoson
Re: [9fans] create user with password
Hallo Nino! I am also a beginner to the system, and I have just recently started to use the system by logging in from a remote system. Here is what I have done so far. I have done a normal Plan9 installation, on which I can log in as any user. I have two users, 'glenda' with adm rights, and my own user 'jam' that I have added as you describe. If I log on directly on this machine, I am asked of no password. But instead of logging on to the machine directly, I connect to it using drawterm. I am then asked for a username and a password. the docment that made me succeed in setting this up is: http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Drawterm_to_your_terminal/inde x.html Regards, Jonas -Ursprungligt Meddelande- From: Nino on NetBSD 4.0 [nbsd...@gmx.net] Sent: 17/2/2009 1:35:53 PM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] create user with password Dear all, First of all, let me thank you for your kind attention. I did run newuser, in fact, that is what got me out of the console. I now have a graphical environment. Still, that did not give me a password. Rest assured, I am perfectly well aware that as soon as somone gets his hands on my machine, my data is basically his unless it is encrypted. But in the long term, the idea will be just this - my Plan9 box shall be remotely accessible. (From Plan9, BSD, Linux and Windows, if possible.) Thus, I want to know how to get to a password. Like, say, in Linux you would say: passwd nino. So, basic question remains: What I would like to have is that user nino has a password and is the owner of the machine and everything. Let us say someone else, say, puppet shall be another user running as a non- administrating user. How exactly do I set this up? (At this stage, I just want to see what puppet can do and what puppet cannot do.) (I am reading the man pages, but I must say, at least personally, I find e.g. FreeBSD's man pages less confusing. Then again, Plan 9 is entirely new to me.) -- Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a . Ppfont face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif size=2 style=font-size:13.5px___BR /font
Re: [9fans] cheap, low-resolution terminal
By the way, you have an utterly strange, yet totally fascinating, keyboard, matt. Why exactly does it have to be shaped like that? I mean, are you using a Maltron because you are an ergonomics buff or because you have to? Of course he uses one because it looks like something from outer space, it fits very well with the Plan 9 philosophy. I am also a very happy user of a Maltron (dual handed) keyboard. Best keyboard I have used, it is wonderfully ergonomic, has quality keys (though not IBM-clicky) and it is quite hard to mistype on it... /Jonas Ppfont face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif size=2 style=font-size:13.5px___BR /font
Re: [9fans] Volos
Great idea. Just make up a place and a time. A humble suggestion; outside Park Hotel at 8pm. I am flying to Thessaloniki tomorrow, and then have the full wednesday to get down to Volos. Jonas A Mobile phone: +46-70-29 38 330 Nope not yet, but now that people are trickling in should we schedule a get together on the night of the 29th for everybody coming in? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:11 AM, sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi from Volos! Is anyone else here already? -sqweek
