Re: [9fans] acme/sam linewrapping off
I understand that a speadsheet would solve the situation, but... Vim has always been sufficient for the task I described, having that one particular feature. If acme were able of the same, it would suffice me as well... Ruda On 24/03/2008, Robert Raschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/08, Rudolf Sykora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another, even more compelling example is, when you want to look at some scientific data from some experiment. Maybe there's someone out there who has done a spreadsheet for Plan 9? I've never looked, are there any open source spreadsheets around that would lend themselves as a starting point? Robby
Re: [9fans] acme/sam linewrapping off
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Rudolf Sykora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand that a speadsheet would solve the situation, but... Vim has always been sufficient for the task I described, having that one particular feature. If acme were able of the same, it would suffice me as well... Ruda Then [EMAIL PROTECTED] may be a good choice for your problem :-) stefanha to 9fans I am porting Vim and have made the first tarballs available. See http://vmsplice.net/9vim.html. If you are interested, please try it and let me know how it goes. It is usable, but do not rely on it yet. Things that currently do not work: * Shell execution (including :sh, !, :make, vimdiff, man page viewing, and suspend) * Mouse * Some unicode characters appear not to be fixed width * Startup is slow Stefan PS: Please avoid flamewar :). -- HZ
Re: [9fans] acme/sam linewrapping off
Well, [EMAIL PROTECTED] could definitely be a choice. But, doesn't it go against the basic philosophy ... ??! the response here usually follows these steps: (1) at most a mild suggestion to try using the system somewhat as intended (2) ignoring it this is in contrast to affirmative-action companies such as Apple, where a port of Vim to the iPhone and Touch would quickly be sensed by the caveman intrusion detection system, and Jobs would soon turn up to shame the ingrate in public, and rip the device from those cheating hands.
Re: [9fans] acme/sam linewrapping off
I haven't said that to use Vim is bad. Vim is my most favourite editor. I am myself happy to have Vim around in Plan9 (and am not alone for sure). Nonetheless, it's bad to not have an alternative which would follow the system's principles. Please read all I mentioned before. Vim does not follow those and is more and more distant from them (adding more and more features, becoming bloated). But now, there is not a Plan9-like editor suited for editing e.g. aforementioned files with several (real-number) fields (it simply gets wrapped and is unreadable then; using small fonts is not a proper solution since a too small font renders the file unreadable again). To be forced to use Vim right away is in my opinion sad. (Opposite to what you propose: you have to use Vim, you have no other way == you can't ignore it.) R On 25/03/2008, Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, [EMAIL PROTECTED] could definitely be a choice. But, doesn't it go against the basic philosophy ... ??! the response here usually follows these steps: (1) at most a mild suggestion to try using the system somewhat as intended (2) ignoring it this is in contrast to affirmative-action companies such as Apple, where a port of Vim to the iPhone and Touch would quickly be sensed by the caveman intrusion detection system, and Jobs would soon turn up to shame the ingrate in public, and rip the device from those cheating hands.
Re: [9fans] acme/sam linewrapping off
Thanks, I'll read it and see if it can be of help R On 25/03/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola, i think you can take other approaches to solve your problems instead of using vim, or making acme behave like vim. see what others have done with acme: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/iwp9/papers/20.acme-trans.pdf may be that could give you more ideas, other perspectives, etc. about the tasks you do with those files how do you do them. may be if you want just compare some columns, or some rows, or look for a value, or change values, or whatever, you could write functions, regexp, etc which will make your tasks easier and more confortable to do. acme chording is really great when you get used to it. or even writting an acme client :), having a programmable environment gives you many options, original programmes could not imagine all the situations, but they were (and are) smart and included tools making you able to set the program to your needs. good luck :) gabi
Re: [9fans] acme/sam linewrapping off
have you considered using sam to break each line into multiple lines
and then rejoining. e.g. if you have a | separated record structure, you
could do something like:
,x/^.*\n/ {
s/\|/\n/g
s/\n/\n\n/
}
edit the fields, then rejoin before writing it back:
,y/\n\n/ x/\n/ c/|/
,x/\n\n/ c/\n/
fyi, i'm a casual sam user and there are probably better ways.
Re: [9fans] acme/sam linewrapping off
Is there any way how to sensibly edit a file with long lines (eg. a table with many fields, like /sys/lib/lp/devices) using acme/sam? What I miss is a way to not wrap long lines when I need to concentrate on the different fields and a whole single line is a true representative of an item (a printer). make the frame long enough to hold the whole line. for example in acme, use a single column display and a tiny font. you can get one by middle clicking on this Font /lib/font/bit/misc/ascii.5x7.font - erik
Re: [9fans] acme/sam linewrapping off
Thanks for the answer, although it did not please me... :( (In Vim, you only have to do :set nowrap and you are done... From time to time I find this rather useful.) Ruda it's unreasonable for the lp configuration file to need lines 200 characters long. i would think it would make more sense to talk about addressing lp's unreasonable requirments rather than complaining about acme's lack of features. - erik
