Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-11 Thread Dworkin Muller
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 20:14:03 -0700, "Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)" wrote: lyndon> Have you thought about lyndon> mounting a server on top of the mouse device that reads the raw lyndon> positioning data and passes up a running average of the last n lyndon> positions? Basically, interpose a

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-06 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
Dworkin Muller writes: > I have physical issues with trying to perform fine-grained mouse > operations (uncontrollable small hand tremors). [ ... ] > So, my question is, are there any viable alternatives for use with Joining the conversation late ... sorry. Have you thought about mounting a

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-04 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, at 12:19 AM, Dworkin Muller wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:33:07 +0100, "Ethan Gardener" > wrote: > eekee57> To be honest, it helps that the editor's source code is only > eekee57> about 2.5KB. ;) > > So you're using the Forth environment as your editor, not just using >

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-03 Thread Dworkin Muller
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:33:07 +0100, "Ethan Gardener" wrote: eekee57> To be honest, it helps that the editor's source code is only eekee57> about 2.5KB. ;) So you're using the Forth environment as your editor, not just using Forth to drive sam or acme? Dworkin

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-03 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, silas poulson wrote: >> On 2 Jul 2021, at 19:06, Ethan Gardener wrote: >> >> This reminds me why I switched to Forth: I can program my editor properly > > Could you expand on this point? > > Vaguely aware of Forth, but no experience with forth editors Sure.

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-03 Thread silas poulson
On 2 Jul 2021, at 19:06, Ethan Gardener mailto:eeke...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: This reminds me why I switched to Forth: I can program my editor properly Could you expand on this point? Vaguely aware of Forth, but no experience with forth editors Silas --

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-03 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, at 3:29 AM, umbrati...@prosimetrum.com wrote: > nothing's tying you to sam syntax: > > ,|awk '{print NR "\t" $0}' > > then undo. Good points. I used to pipe through other tools often, and very often used to make temporary changes and undo them. Can't remember specific uses

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-03 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Silas McCroskey wrote: > > In any case, Plan 9's ed has a nice "browse" command which sam can't match. > > I used to issue "0bn", then just "b" once per page. Or, if you don't want > > line numbers, leave out the "n". > > "+,+20p" does it. Doesn't work near the

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-03 Thread hiro
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Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-03 Thread Dworkin Muller
Thanks folks for all the suggestions and pointers. Now it's just a small matter of putting it all into practice ;-) Dworkin -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T716c5aa0e2aa8a27-Me11ccf659e0e88c10119b85f Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-02 Thread umbraticus
nothing's tying you to sam syntax: ,|awk '{print NR "\t" $0}' then undo. umbraticus -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T716c5aa0e2aa8a27-Mc258d9e136ffe16b7aeb04fa Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-02 Thread Silas McCroskey
> In any case, Plan 9's ed has a nice "browse" command which sam can't match. I > used to issue "0bn", then just "b" once per page. Or, if you don't want line > numbers, leave out the "n". "+,+20p" does it. Doesn't work near the end of the file, though; not sure if that can be improved within

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-02 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, at 4:03 PM, silas poulson wrote: >> On 1 Jul 2021, at 18:48, Ethan Gardener wrote: >> sam -d can't display line numbers > > You can sort of display them via > > ,x { > p > } > > Though it’s ugly and annoyingly can’t apply sam’s regex to remove the > character locations.

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-02 Thread silas poulson
On 1 Jul 2021, at 18:48, Ethan Gardener mailto:eeke...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: sam -d can't display line numbers You can sort of display them via ,x { p } Though it’s ugly and annoyingly can’t apply sam’s regex to remove the character locations. Silas --

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-01 Thread Cyber Fonic
I used to have serious CTS issues from using a mouse. Clenching a mouse and fine motor movement became physiologically incompatible actions for me. My simple low cost solution is to have a USB connected Logitech trackball under my right hand (I'm right handed) and a common wheel USB mouse with

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-01 Thread Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir
9front's sam has additional "^" and "_" commands which make output of specified commands go into the command window. Loading a rc file with a bunch of "fn ... {" simplifies things quite a lot in general, see http://runjimmyrunrunyoufuckerrun.com/rc/s as an example.

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-01 Thread Ethan Gardener
I used to enjoy Acme, but had to give it up when I no longer had an ergonomic desk. Using the mouse hurt too much. In the way I work, often switching files, Sam's menus are practically worse than Acme. I tried sam -d (command-line only) and ed, but... well, I get in a muddle with regexps. Most

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-01 Thread igor
If you are looking for a more keyboard driven window management version of rio, sigrid has made some experiments with this here: - https://git.sr.ht/~ft/riow It gives you virtual desktops to move windows around in, by pressing keys, like i3. It features: • virtual desktops • switch between

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-07-01 Thread hiro
i don't think you're missing anything obvious in terms of acme, it's clearly not made for you. your options are either to modify acme itself and insert keyboard shortcuts, or to ignore acme and try to make as many little scripts as possible, executed from rio terminals. i often feel like i can

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-06-30 Thread umbraticus
> taking advantage of Fitts' law in UI interactions another fairly standard practice: organise window management to leave a pixel or two around the edge to allow slamming mouse to the nearest extremity in order to access rio b3 menu. blasphemy: I occasionally wonder how difficult it would be to

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-06-30 Thread Paul Lalonde
There's a huge difference using my mouse in Plan9 than in Plan9port on my mac. Plan9 feels almost unusable by comparison. I suspect much of this is the very finely tuned acceleration/fine-pointing behavior of the mouse on modern desktop platforms. That's probably a ripe space for improving the

Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-06-30 Thread umbraticus
> needing to copy/paste previous commands in terminal windows, etc. see " and "" scripts The finnicky mouse stuff is indeed an annoyance in acme. I use sam & a trackball & a huge font. some conveniences have been added to sam, ^B and ^G to switch from sam window and back to buffer. Make use

[9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage?

2021-06-30 Thread Dworkin Muller
I have physical issues with trying to perform fine-grained mouse operations (uncontrollable small hand tremors). The net effect is that anything more much specific than window selection is difficult and takes several seconds - pretty much the antithesis of the study results that showed that