Why?
Why the angst? Nix is cool. And the nonexistent demons will release
something cool.
Now getting back to the lost v10 - which I think is a much more interesting
topic. (There work is much more interesting, I guess mine is challenging).
I have to go to Canberra to sort this out. Got the
I thought all the discussion of how the development process should be
more open ended with the creation of 9front.
For me one of the best things about 9front is that I can follow all
the changes in the code by reading their mailing list.
pmarin
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Bruce Ellis
Quoting Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com:
I was disturbed by the claim that v10 had been lost because of bullshit,
but said nothing.
If indeed someone has lost their v10 I can replace it. If you are in
australia it's easy. Contact me with the details of your import license and
I will arrange
I'm not sure how to negotiate this. Tiger says:
1) Go back to 1988.
2) Apply for a license.
3) Run it/enjoy it.
4) Stop being a dick
brucee
On 7 September 2013 23:21, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote:
Quoting Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com:
I was disturbed by the claim that v10 had
Quoting Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com:
I'm not sure how to negotiate this. Tiger says:
1) Go back to 1988.
2) Apply for a license.
3) Run it/enjoy it.
4) Stop being a dick
brucee
I agree to these terms. As soon as I can go back to 1988, I'll stop
being a dick.
khm
Not sure I believe you. Also. Stephen Jones runs v10 in Seattle. You may be
able to bribe him.
The manifest on the door of my vax may also help.
Attn:
G.R.Emlin
Room 2C501
600 Mountain Ave
Murray Hill, NJ 07974
You'll also need a mux terminal or 16. I have a Blit and a 5630. Stephen
has 5620s.
we got not a single cent for nix. As far as lsub is concerned,
it's been a free time effort.
You are seriously misrepresenting nix and/or yourself.
From http://lsub.org:
Nix is joint work of Laboratorio de Sistemas with Bell Laboratories,
Sandia National Labs, and Vitanuova.
Lsub is part
Stop whining. If you want something done your way, do it yourself, or pay
somebody to do it.
If you think Nemo and his group (or anybody else) are not following the
grants' rules, complain to the funding organizations. I don't remember
seeing any funding coming with researchers have to publish
I believe the rules are different when the work is research, sponsored
by public money. People are getting research grants to work on nix.
who is getting grants to work on nix?
And how do I get in on that?
Someone tell me how to get money for working on nix and this thread
becomes useful.
Perhaps by being qualified and having a substantial body of published
research and teaching under your belt.
Or out-source it.
brucee
On 8 September 2013 00:58, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote:
I believe the rules are different when the work is research, sponsored
by public money.
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 10:58:08AM -0400, Anthony Sorace wrote:
Someone tell me how to get money for working on nix and this thread
becomes useful.
I guess that the answer is: provide your own.
This is the GPL plague: saying to developers that as long as they
provide gratis something
(Communism: give me your watch and, in fair exchange, I will tell you
what time it is.)
The misunderstanding here is that conventional ownership does not
apply to intellectual property; in fact, it is not property at all
and we should stop treating it as if it was.
It is even harder to do any
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 05:46:24PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
(Communism: give me your watch and, in fair exchange, I will tell you
what time it is.)
The misunderstanding here is that conventional ownership does not
apply to intellectual property;
The algorithms are intellectual
[...] Nix is
not a personal project. It's listed right there on the lsub page
one thing seems to be missed is that nix is the name for at least
two independent projects.
a brief history. this is the best of my understanding. please
correct me if i haven't credited folks properly. i am sure
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote:
Everything is developed in secret without the involvment of any
potential parties. Sure, everybody has the right to work in any way they
like (except when the work is paid by public money), but you reap what
youb sow. The lack of public
The gratis software has not been gratis for the ones who have
written it. It took time. The bulk of the difference is here.
Sure, but we're still applying a modern metric to something that spans
history (intellect, whatever that is).
The fact that sales and marketing people make more money
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013, at 05:40 PM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
Of course, the number of different issues that need to be taken into
account is much greater than the single item discussed here, but
anything that rewards greed ought to be treated, at minimum, with
great suspicion, not with
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 06:40:48PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
but anything that rewards greed ought to be treated, at minimum, with
great suspicion, not with veneration.
This is exactly what I say: the user's greed wanting something for
nothing (neither money, nor time given, nor
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:28 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote:
*WOOSH*.
this is an obvious joke. see e.g. http://9fans.net/archive/2006/06/18
either that or you're just trolling.
First secret societies, then private jokes? When are all these insults
going to end??? :)
One of Life's great lessons for me has been those who most loudly accuse
others of greed are themselves the most greedy. No position here is free
of greed, no side in any conflict ever is, and that renders discussion
of greed weak and potentially harmful.
Sorry, can't resist.
There's a great
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote:
we got not a single cent for nix. As far as lsub is concerned,
it's been a free time effort.
You are seriously misrepresenting nix and/or yourself.
From http://lsub.org:
Nix is joint work of Laboratorio de Sistemas
There's a great difference between accusing anyone of greed and
treating greed as a beneficial virtue. At least, in my book, there
is.
... or a destructive vice, that's the subject being discussed: not who is
greedy or otherwise.
++L
FWIW, I feel the same way as Steve. I only release code that I feel is
going to be useful to others. Sometimes I am simply experimenting and
the code isn't worth releasing.
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote:
I think its almost ready at least to
try and
On 7 September 2013 14:56, Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote:
Let's quote something from a recent nix paper:
We are grateful to Charles Forsyth for his advice regarding this
work, and to the new Plan 9 secret society.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE
You have to look on the bright side here guys: the fact that its secret makes
it more tantalizing, and it will be cooler when released. It's like presents.
Veety
On 8 September 2013 00:47, Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote:
the fact that its secret
It isn't really secret. We went back more than a few steps earlier in the
year, which is one reason it would
not be useful at all in its current state. At the moment, it is not, by any
means, a series of
tl;dr: as far as i know, there is no private nix development going on,
Aha, the fact that you don't know proves that it's private. ☺
On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote:
tl;dr: as far as i know, there is no private nix development going on,
Aha, the fact that you don't know proves that it's private. ☺
As are most the files I open in my editor, until at some point I do a Put and
others can
It would be better if you guys keep it low here on the mailing list or
else the people that got tricked into funding this might find out.
Aram's point, obviously, is not that working on nix is insulting.
Pretending you are a better judge than the whole world on whether
something is 'ready to be shared' is insulting. Unless you have
lawyers pointing metaophorical guns at your job, in which case just
say that.
Good
I think its almost ready at least to
try and take a look, I will try to
put out a copy next week,
unless other authors ask me not to.
any useful bit for production usage
will be shared, anyway, we have always done it
that way.
In short, I agree 100% with Steve.
On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:27 AM,
The main development tree is hosted in sources.lsub.org
- http://lsub.org/ls/nix.html
If true, there has been little unified progress.
If false, then isn't this all about misrepresentation?
As far as I can tell, the only person to have posted to syssoftware is
Ballesteros. If those posts are
Quoting Steve Simon st...@quintile.net:
Don't get me wrong, I am all for sharing code but its to authors right
to decide not to share if they wish.
You're preaching to the choir there. My personal opinion is the last
thing the world needs is more computer software; it merely encourages
Good grief, I write lots of code for plan9, only some of which I
decide is successfull and well written enough to release. This is my
choice and only mine
I don't remember you bragging about your unpublished work though.
I created it I do what I want with it.
I believe the rules are
Ok, I am The Official Village Idiot, but I always assumed that if you
wanted a piece of software you could write it yourself? Or at least learn
how to contribute to writing it? Or maybe find several tools to pipe
together and script a little and maybe get what you needed done done?
Of course
On Sep 7, 2013, at 1:35 AM, Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote:
I believe the rules are different when the work is research, sponsored
by public money. People are getting research grants to work on nix.
Just for the record,
we got not a single cent for nix.
As far as lsub is concerned, it's
I created it I do what I want with it.
I believe the rules are different when the work is research, sponsored
by public money. People are getting research grants to work on nix.
who is getting grants to work on nix?
as far as i know, there is no private nix development going on
Who
2013/9/6 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net:
I created it I do what I want with it.
I believe the rules are different when the work is research, sponsored
by public money. People are getting research grants to work on nix.
who is getting grants to work on nix?
as far as i know, there
I don't really understand this thread. I thought it was a stupid flame war,
in which case I can only say that I miss Boyd calling a spade a fucking
shovel.
I was disturbed by the claim that v10 had been lost because of bullshit,
but said nothing.
If indeed someone has lost their v10 I can
Is nix closed source, dead, or vaporware?
The daily generated nix.tgz is either not daily generated or the
tree which it is archiving is dead. Most files are from 2012, most
recent file (nix/sys/log/nixdistr) is from Feb 8 2013, the kernel
is from Jul 10 2012.
The variant posted on sources is
Interestingly, the nix source published in 9atom contains newer
files, May 20th to be exact. It's not just new drivers ported from
9atom, the newest non-driver, k10-specific file is stamped May 16th.
I don't know if the timestamps are simply wrong or some priviledged
people do get access to
the mark I nix was, thanks to erik, made public and got stuff like graphics.
Im sure you know where to find it.
We have another version which is still experimental and unreleased,
but we were distracted by other things. Hopefully we will publish it in the
near future. But, we do what we can.
I was going to post something along the lines of if you can't
increase the quality of a product, you can increase its value via
artificial scarcity, but I've been out-trolled already:
Quoting Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org:
Sorry to hear that working on it is insulting.
This is
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