> On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Winston Kodogo wrote:
>
> And, on a related note:
>
> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/why-i-use-safari-instead-of-firefox/
>
> consistency across apps
Press escape in iTunes. Press escape in DVD player. :-(
V/r,
Bryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:52:59PM -0700, Kurt H Maier wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:05:10AM -0700, David Walther wrote:
Then the whiskey wore off.
[citation needed]
http://www.ulisp.com/
http://flashforth.com/
"Unless you count mobile devices, UIs in 2016 still function largely like
Windows 95."
Oddly, that's not true. Mind you, I've always been a Mac user. But I've
recently been spending some time in Excel VBA under Windows 10, and the
interface in the editor is still pure Windows 95,and boy does it ev
"the internet has a long memory"
for the record:
for the last ~20 years on 9fans and during the few iwp9s I could join,
I've always received helpful answers and insights.
Thanks to everybody who could help! (Richard, Skip, Charles, Brucee,
Brantley too many to list.)
I plan to stay for the next 20.
Personally, I don't use Plan9, or even p9p, to get stuff done. I just like
to look at the code from time to time. I'm with Carmack on Plan9 circa 1997:
" It has an achingly elegant internal structure, but a user interface that
has been asleep for the past decade." Add a couple of decades to that.
Well, the meaning of the word "ilk" has always puzzled me. As in "Sir
Robert Pike of that Ilk". But then I'm not Scottish. Or Scotch, whichever
is correct. Me, I still lend a fraction of an ear to this group in the
increasingly vain hope of learning something.
Personally, I don't use Plan9, or eve
Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber wrote:
>
>> Steven Stallion wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier
>wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
>> >
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber wrote:
> Steven Stallion wrote:
>
> >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
> >>>
> >>> put up or shut up:
> >> ..
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:55:09PM -0500, Steven Stallion wrote:
> Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory
> session than for being an incorrigible troll.
You know we forked the operating system, right? I know it's hard to
keep track of things since google reader went down
Steven Stallion wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
>>>
>>> put up or shut up:
>> ...
>> Congratulations on your accomplishments!
>
>% fn ck { grep $* /n/so
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
>>
>> put up or shut up:
> ...
> Congratulations on your accomplishments!
% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email /n/sources/pat
Whatever you like is fine. I'm not picky.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Chris McGee wrote:
> Sure,
>
> I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions?
>
> Chris
>
>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez
>> wrote:
>>
>> Are you keeping your progess public? I
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
>
> put up or shut up:
Sorry, I can't win uptime games, as the kernel I use is maintained.
To my great regret, instead of six hundred 50MFLOPS computers I don't
use, I only have three or
> plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
put up or shut up:
% for (i in (rpi2 snssrv bootes mikro)) {
cpu -h $i -c 'uptime && cat ''#''P/cputype'
}
rpi2 up 121 days, 14:17:03
ARM 1176JZF-S 700
snssrv up 88 days, 04:42:19
P6 1694
bootes up 162 days, 09:42:41
Atom 1801
mikro up 0 d
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:51:39AM +, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled
> quill/ink/parchment
Before I die, I'll figure out why it offends some of you so much that a
few of us use plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. Meanwhile, I
don't thin
And, on a related note:
https://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/why-i-use-safari-instead-of-firefox/
On 31 August 2016 at 14:08, Winston Kodogo wrote:
> Yeah, but me, I prefer banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall
> while chewing broken glass to using this troff thing. In this case, the
> ne
Yeah, but me, I prefer banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall
while chewing broken glass to using this troff thing. In this case, the
new-fangled stuff is just better, at least for normal people who just want
to get stuff done.
On 31 August 2016 at 12:51, Skip Tavakkolian
wrote:
> some
I could put it up as a troff file on a 9P share but then how will people find
it and know when it's updated?
There's got to be some medium that is palatable to both hard core and new users.
Chris
> On Aug 30, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Skip Tavakkolian
> wrote:
>
> some here still prefer hammer/chise
some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled
quill/ink/parchment
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM Chris McGee wrote:
> Sure,
>
> I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions?
>
> Chris
>
> > On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez
> wrote:
> >
> > A
> I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions?
standard error.
--
cinap
Sure,
I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions?
Chris
> On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez wrote:
>
> Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to read.
>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee wrote:
>> I am about a
Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to read.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee wrote:
> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup.
>
> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, controller,
> terminal, router) without preventing
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> How did you do that? My web browser doesn't have a date command. I've
> been posting to instagram and reading the resulting timestamp. Is there
> a better way?
http://www.time.gov/
I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup.
My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, controller,
terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks. I'm hoping
to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for just sensor/control
and plumb thr
you mean it's the day of the chrome OS?
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 04:58:18PM -0500, Steven Stallion wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:41 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > i'd like it if people would stick to one medium: i don't want to be
> > forced to use a web browser to participate in discussions on this
> > mailing list.
>
> Sor
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:41 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i'd like it if people would stick to one medium: i don't want to be
> forced to use a web browser to participate in discussions on this
> mailing list.
Sorry, I had to double check the date after reading this.
skip: what is straightforward and easy? your link seems like google
plus is shutting down, but your post is gone?
i'd like it if people would stick to one medium: i don't want to be
forced to use a web browser to participate in discussions on this
mailing list.
On 8/30/16, Skip Tavakkolian wrote
It is straightforward and easy:
https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez
wrote:
> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to
> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting
> up
I keep a NFS mount to parallel dev Linux Solaris Irix including ARM. It
uses m4 as there is no compiler on Sol/Sgi. It was used to create 9p
services and RC on all systems much like macros in assembler.
There isn't much desire to port as most programs should be rethought.
Today's programs are too
I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to
plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting
up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed
computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we
even joked about using a
Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing beautiful
code that has already been done.
Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
-- Russ Cox Cable von Shane
On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian"
wrote:
> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM).
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 05:01:36PM +, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>
> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area.
> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful thinking).
I regret to inform you I now live within driving distance of Seattle.
Please be
I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm sorry I
missed that meetup.
I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area.
There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful thinking).
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis
wrote
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <
skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com> wrote:
as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in my
> neighborhood has doubled.
>
And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one other
woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatric
>We still run Ken’s file server that Erik modified into a diskless file
>server using our AoE appliances behind it. I develop on Plan 9
>exclusively. And we use it as a distributed operating system running on
>about a dozen machines.
i'm running ken's file server on a port to amd64.
- erik
On Tue Aug 23 12:35:51 PDT 2016, s...@9front.org wrote:
> Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>
> > In fact the population of 9fans in
> >my
> >neighborhood has doubled.
>
> Shades of damned lies and statistics?
i can verify. we're in the same neighborhood. :-)
- erik
On Thu Aug 25 17:41:51 PDT 2016, k...@westryn.net wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Nickolas Peter
> wrote:
> >
> > Brantley,
> >
> > Wow, that's really impressive. Thanks for sharing. Would you say that
> > Supermicro hardware supports Plan 9 well, or did it take a lot of hacking
> > and
> As far as I know, SouthSuite is now the only company both using it as a
> development system or shipping software based on Plan 9. Does anyone know of
> any others?
I still use Plan 9 for development as much as possible. Regrettably this
has been decreasing as I write less C and more Verilog
On Aug 24, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Nickolas Peter wrote:
>
> Brantley,
>
> Wow, that's really impressive. Thanks for sharing. Would you say that
> Supermicro hardware supports Plan 9 well, or did it take a lot of hacking and
> driver development? I have a Supermicro 1U sitting in my uncles basement
Brantley,
Wow, that's really impressive. Thanks for sharing. Would you say that
Supermicro hardware supports Plan 9 well, or did it take a lot of hacking
and driver development? I have a Supermicro 1U sitting in my uncles
basement — I might go grab it and set it up as a fileserver.
Nick
On Wedne
Nick,
Coraid, Inc sold network storage systems that consisted of our software running
on more or less stock Supermicro hardware. We invented the ATA-over-Ethernet
block storage network protocol. We sold almost $100,000,000 worth of stuff,
somewhere north of 10,000 units, all running Plan 9.
I
Hi Brantley,
I am by no means an experienced developer or Plan 9 user, so I can hardly
speak from the same experience level as most (I assume) of the posters on
this list. I only recently found myself very interested in Plan 9, C, and
embedded systems. As of now, I only run 9front as a learning en
Some general comments.
It’s good to see it used in at least a few places. It’s too good a system to be
the only one using it. But I will until providence completely forces me to do
otherwise, which I don’t anticipate.
I’m really lucky to be able to use the system, especially in the way it was
Winston Kodogo wrote:
Hey Adriano
It seems as if the list is not totally moribund after all, even if
these days people will insist on talking about Plan9 on it, rather
than posting informative digressions about almost everything else. I
hope you got at least some of the responses which your o
Hey Adriano
It seems as if the list is not totally moribund after all, even if these
days people will insist on talking about Plan9 on it, rather than posting
informative digressions about almost everything else. I hope you got at
least some of the responses which your original message sparked. Th
hi all.
I get less time for plan9 too, a new higher pressure job and twins are my
excuses. I still have my home server which is my mail and web presence and
maintains my domain, A raspberry Pi at work runs my desktop.
I hope fix the broken raspberry Pi audio and write a Dropbox client... and p
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Brantley Coile wrote:
> We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the list.
I'm guilty of this as well. I still run a dedicated fileserver at home
backed by a venti store running on a biggish storage array served by
plan9port. My cpu serve
On Tue, 8/23/16, Brantley Coile wrote:
> We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the
> list.
I can say this particular 9 fan isn't dead...just aging. My main file server
here at home runs Plan9, but with my own file system, rather than Ken's.
My auth server is a Raspbe
>From Nero to Zero
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:05:10AM -0700, David Walther wrote:
> Then the whiskey wore off.
[citation needed]
Brantley Coile wrote:
We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the list.
I’ve been using Plan 9 since 1995, before that I only used it at the Labs. I’ll
be using it when I assume room temperature.
We still run Ken’s file server that Erik modified into a diskless file
Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> In fact the population of 9fans in
>my
>neighborhood has doubled.
Shades of damned lies and statistics?
sl
9fans.net is a free service provided/managed by Russ for the community. It was
offline for a little while; it looks like it was going through an update
and/or change of hosting environment.
as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in my
neighborhood has doubled.
-Skip
Well someone Runed plan9.
UFans
On Aug 23, 2016 11:14 AM, "Brantley Coile" wrote:
> We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the
> list.
>
> I’ve been using Plan 9 since 1995, before that I only used it at the Labs.
> I’ll be using it when I assume room temperature.
>
>
Brantley Coile wrote:
>We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the
>list.
>
>I’ve been using Plan 9 since 1995, before that I only used it at the
>Labs. I’ll be using it when I assume room temperature.
>
>We still run Ken’s file server that Erik modified into a diskless
We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the list.
I’ve been using Plan 9 since 1995, before that I only used it at the Labs. I’ll
be using it when I assume room temperature.
We still run Ken’s file server that Erik modified into a diskless file server
using our AoE a
Don Bailey wrote:
>Plan 9 shall never die.
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> > I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no
>> messages at
>> > all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages in
>May?
>>
>
Plan 9 shall never die.
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no
> messages at
> > all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages in May?
>
> The 9fans mailing list was dow
> I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no messages at
> all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages in May?
The 9fans mailing list was down from approximately June 1 to July 25.
--
David du Colombier
On 23/08/16 13:39, Adriano Verardo wrote:
Yes, but not in June/July and all around the world.
Sent just to see if this message reaches the list.
Your message definitely has reached the list ... whether it gets back to
you is another matter!
I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) th
tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:01:48PM +0300, Costin Chirvasuta wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Andrew Nazarov
wrote:
I thought the same, but yesterday I noticed that suddenly gmail has begun to
mark all the recent 9fans messages as spam.
Same here. Only about
Join us at the google retreat.
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:01:48PM +0300, Costin Chirvasuta wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Andrew Nazarov
> wrote:
> > I thought the same, but yesterday I noticed that suddenly gmail has begun to
> > mark all the recent 9fans messages as spam.
>
> Same here. Only about 4 messages thoug
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Andrew Nazarov
wrote:
> I thought the same, but yesterday I noticed that suddenly gmail has begun to
> mark all the recent 9fans messages as spam.
Same here. Only about 4 messages though (each from a different
person). A few others got through.
On Aug 22, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Staven wrote:
>
> We live, we die, we live again!
>
Tell me about it!
Coraid lived, Coraid died, now Coraid lives again.
And is shipping Plan 9 still. Over my objections the attempt to replace Plan 9
with another OS ended Coraid, Inc. Now, SouthSuite, Inc. has
Computing is dead. You killed it. Plan9 couldn't survive. It was too good.
Haskell is a pious fraud. Rob Pike is our Pied Piper. Like Saint Paul.
*mic drop*
Unix fills its niche. Android added BeOS features to Linux. What does Plan9
bring to the table other than 9fs (now ported to Linux)?
I thought the same, but yesterday I noticed that suddenly gmail has begun
to mark all the recent 9fans messages as spam. So, check out your Spam
folder, maybe you'll find something. There is a glimmer of life, not much
though)).
On 23 August 2016 at 08:30, wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 02:14:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 02:14:54AM +, Staven wrote:
> We live, we die, we live again!
We simply sleep from time to time...
--
Thierry Laronde
http://www.kergis.com/
Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
We live, we die, we live again!
Thank you Winston, pleased to hear from you.
Really, my email accounts work (mail dot com too) .
And I've also received the 9fans subscription confirmation of changes.
I personally have been technically dead for some time, but am still
receiving emails from the list, so the problem may be at your
Thank you Steve, pleased to hear from you.
Really, my email accounts work (mail dot com too) .
And I've also received the 9fans subscription confirmation of changes.
adriano
it has been very quiet, but I am still here.
9front is more active these days.
-Steve
On 23 Aug 2016, at 01:00, Adri
it has been very quiet, but I am still here.
9front is more active these days.
-Steve
> On 23 Aug 2016, at 01:00, Adriano Verardo wrote:
>
> Hi, all
> I don'receive from the group since June.
> I've changed my subscription, opened another gmail account (mail-dot-com had
> problems),
> conta
I personally have been technically dead for some time, but am still
receiving emails from the list, so the problem may be at your end. In which
case of course you won't see this. Bugger.
On 23 August 2016 at 12:00, Adriano Verardo wrote:
> Hi, all
> I don'receive from the group since June.
> I'v
Hi, all
I don'receive from the group since June.
I've changed my subscription, opened another gmail account (mail-dot-com
had problems),
contacted 9fans staff etc etc
Could anyone kindly le me know about problems or whatever else reason why
9fans seems to be mute ?
Thanks.
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