Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-25 Thread Russ Cox
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:59 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: /boot/fossil: cacheLocalData: addr=155039 type got 0 exp 0: tag got 19383bf exp 11383bf /boot/fossil: cacheLocalData: addr=155167 type got 0 exp 0: tag got 19383bf exp 11383bf am i wrong in thinking that it would be

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-25 Thread Russ Cox
it's even neater to use a raid level that doesn't require venti intervention. agreed. does venti even keep scores on the bloom filter blocks and the icache? no, but those are soft data and can be reconstructed. russ

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-25 Thread erik quanstrom
does venti even keep scores on the bloom filter blocks and the icache? no, but those are soft data and can be reconstructed. being the paranoid type, i worry about this. does the rebuild rate on a large (say, 1tb) venti make this a practical strategy? - erik

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-25 Thread erik quanstrom
there's no question that a better strategy is to use a 100% reliable underlying storage device. let me know when you find one. - erik

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-25 Thread Russ Cox
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:24 AM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: does venti even keep scores on the bloom filter blocks and the icache? no, but those are soft data and can be reconstructed. being the paranoid type, i worry about this.  does the rebuild rate on a large (say, 1tb)

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:10 AM, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:45 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: It seems to only happen once per boot, but not necessarily when fossil starts responding--I've seen it a couple hours after booting, which

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:01 AM, John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: Our Coraid device recently lost two disks from the RAID5 configuration; while we were able to rebuild from instructions given by support, I suspect some small amount of data was corrupted. Since rebuilding the device a

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread cinap_lenrek
/boot/fossil: cacheLocalData: addr=78989 type got 0 exp 0: tag got e63eb942 exp 663eb942 /boot/fossil: cacheLocalData: addr=99457 type got 0 exp 0: tag got 150daf85 exp 150daf05 /boot/fossil: cacheLocalData: addr=68651 type got 0 exp 0: tag got 66be7fe5 exp 663e7fe5 /boot/fossil: cacheLocalData:

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:  /boot/fossil: cacheLocalData: addr=78989 type got 0 exp 0: tag got e63eb942 exp 663eb942 /boot/fossil: cacheLocalData: addr=99457 type got 0 exp 0: tag got 150daf85 exp 150daf05 /boot/fossil: cacheLocalData: addr=68651 type got 0

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread erik quanstrom
So I went ahead and reinstalled fossil and venti--this time I went with a RAID-10 configuration on the Coraid. for data integrety, raid 5 is a better solution because on a raid 10, if one block is wrong, it's a coin flip as to which one is correct (if any). with raid 5, it's possible to

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:39 PM, erik quanstromquans...@coraid.com wrote: So I went ahead and reinstalled fossil and venti--this time I went with a RAID-10 configuration on the Coraid. for data integrety, raid 5 is a better solution because on a raid 10, if one block is wrong, it's a coin

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread erik quanstrom
Not directly related to the topic here, but this has always bugged me about running Venti on mirrored or raided disks. When a block on a mirrored pair doesn't match the block on its partner, the mirroring layer has no idea which one is right, but Venti does. Some way to export this read

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread erik quanstrom
/boot/fossil: cacheLocalData: addr=155039 type got 0 exp 0: tag got 19383bf exp 11383bf /boot/fossil: cacheLocalData: addr=155167 type got 0 exp 0: tag got 19383bf exp 11383bf am i wrong in thinking that it would be an error to have the same tag at two different addresses? - erik

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-21 Thread Richard Miller
Forgot to add that I've only seen one error on the console during all of this: /boot/fossil: could not write super block; waiting 10 seconds /boot/fossil: blistAlloc: called on clean block. I get a few of these nearly every day. I've been assuming they are benign.

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-21 Thread Steve Simon
/boot/fossil: could not write super block; waiting 10 seconds /boot/fossil: blistAlloc: called on clean block. I have a few a day for the last 5 years on my home server, and one a week on the work machine... I always ignored them. -Steve

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-21 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Jun 21 07:59:52 EDT 2009, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: Forgot to add that I've only seen one error on the console during all of this: /boot/fossil: could not write super block; waiting 10 seconds /boot/fossil: blistAlloc: called on clean block. I get a few of these nearly every

[9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-18 Thread John Floren
Our Coraid device recently lost two disks from the RAID5 configuration; while we were able to rebuild from instructions given by support, I suspect some small amount of data was corrupted. Since rebuilding the device a few days ago, every morning I have returned to work to find my CPU/auth/file

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-18 Thread erik quanstrom
Forgot to add that I've only seen one error on the console during all of this: /boot/fossil: could not write super block; waiting 10 seconds /boot/fossil: blistAlloc: called on clean block. is that once, or every time? - erik

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-18 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:01 AM, John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: Our Coraid device recently lost two disks from the RAID5 configuration; while we were able to rebuild from instructions given by support, I suspect some small amount of data was corrupted. Since rebuilding the device a

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-18 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:25 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Forgot to add that I've only seen one error on the console during all of this: /boot/fossil: could not write super block; waiting 10 seconds /boot/fossil: blistAlloc: called on clean block. is that once, or

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-18 Thread erik quanstrom
It seems to only happen once per boot, but not necessarily when fossil starts responding--I've seen it a couple hours after booting, which the filesystem tends to go away at night. the failure is somewhere in blockWrite. since blockWrite calls diskWrite and diskWrite just queues up i/o to

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-18 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:45 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: It seems to only happen once per boot, but not necessarily when fossil starts responding--I've seen it a couple hours after booting, which the filesystem tends to go away at night. the failure is somewhere in