Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread erik quanstrom
on content-sniffing. I assume Abaco either does the same or allows the HTML to override the HTTP. Based on previous experience I expect Safari also gets it right. abaco gets it right on accident. webfs isn't capable of dealing with the http charset so it's simply ignored. this causes a

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:05:06 -0700 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:44 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.comwrote: i haven't seen any evidence that strongly typed files are a good idea. but maybe others have? I can tell you that the Big Data

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 02:00:37 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: regardless of what one thinks of the standard, the header charset takes precidence! see http://www.webstandards.org/learn/articles/askw3c/dec2002/ it sucks, but it's better to follow standards than to invent one's

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
How much more so then should we oppose standards which benefit nobody while requiring a lot of work to no purpose? You're getting lost. The MIME standard (RFC 1341, June 1992) is what you started criticising and you're overlooking (a) that a phenomenal amount of effort went into establishing

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread erik quanstrom
Regardless of how unjust a law is, it must be obeyed, for it is the Law! Right? Hah! I'm one of those people who believe citizens have a duty to oppose unjust laws. How much more so then should we oppose standards which benefit nobody while requiring a lot of work to no purpose? standards

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
standards aren't laws. there's no moral component at all. Politics (insufficient resources) can put moral components into anything. But most technical standard organisations do aim to avoid making the type of short sighted judgements that lead to resource depletion. Then the market comes

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 04:29:15PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: (a) that a phenomenal amount of effort went into establishing that standard; Then it belongs on someone's refrigerator, next to a participation award. Bad decisions aren't less bad just because a lot of people worked hard to make

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
Are you claiming it is good through tenure, which is obviously a fallacy, or are you actually calling this catastrophe of a standard great? You're not offering a comparison, so, yes, I'm calling it good. So, apparently, do innumerable users, again, maybe for want of a better product. Twenty

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:29:15 +0200 Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: How much more so then should we oppose standards which benefit nobody while requiring a lot of work to no purpose? You're getting lost. The MIME standard (RFC 1341, June 1992) is what you started criticising

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
MIME is a shitty workaround (badly) designed to cram non-text data into a text-based protocol. Instead of using proper transfer protocols to transfer files, some morons decided to shove binary data into text-based messaging. When the web crowd decided they, too, would like to shove unlikely

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:51:37 +0200 Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: standards aren't laws. there's no moral component at all. Politics (insufficient resources) can put moral components into anything. But most technical standard organisations do aim to avoid making the type of short

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Jason Catena
Kurt H Maier: Are you claiming it is good through tenure, which is obviously a fallacy, or are you actually calling this catastrophe of a standard great? Lucio De Re: You're not offering a comparison, so, yes, I'm calling it good. So, apparently, do innumerable users, again, maybe for want of a

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 05:53:42PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: And you see no contradiction that the seemingly obvious alternatives just simply haven't gained any ground at all? Since you seem to be the sort of idiot who can't differentiate technical quality from distribution volume, I'll

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sat Jun 9 12:32:20 EDT 2012, kh...@intma.in wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 05:53:42PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: And you see no contradiction that the seemingly obvious alternatives just simply haven't gained any ground at all? Since you seem to be the sort of idiot who can't

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:52:17 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Sat Jun 9 12:32:20 EDT 2012, kh...@intma.in wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 05:53:42PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: And you see no contradiction that the seemingly obvious alternatives just simply haven't

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread hiro
I respect all you guy's senseless babbling as I'm being a lot more disrespectful than anyone here (currently installing windows 98). Go on.

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Matthew Veety
On Jun 9, 2012 2:11 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: I respect all you guy's senseless babbling as I'm being a lot more disrespectful than anyone here (currently installing windows 98). Go on. I would shit on you for this, but I'm an OpenVMS user. -- Veety

[9fans] Unable to cpu into server, drawterm works fine?

2012-06-09 Thread Matthew Veety
Hey guys, I'm unable to cpu into my cpu server with every user except bootes, but drawterm is working perfectly fine. When I try to cpu in as any other user cpu spits out this line: cpu: can't authenticate: 192.168.1.25: auth_proxy rpc write: bootes: connection refused What's really