> It should really have a GUI that lets you zoom and pan and select road, aerial
> or hybrid maps but that will wait for another day.
Does the api allow loading contiguous areas seamlessly? I couldn't
find anything to use for for panning...
Yeah, multiline tags are there in acme-sac, but strangely not in inferno.
When I try to use this scroll down feature I always overshoot and end
up at the bottom line, instead of just one line down.
I solved my problem with a bigger display:)
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:04 AM, underspecified
wrote:
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:
> On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:32 AM, André Günther wrote:
>
> [1] http://www.minithink.org/mock.jpg
> (Sorry for the image quality)
>
> I just tried giving that to Interface Builder. Apparently, toolbars can only
> be on the horizontal in Cocoa T
Something evil seems to be happening.
Have you seen this stuff? http://www.plan9movie.com/
I also use to put a sleep 1 in there.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:01 PM, matt wrote:
>
>> If somebody wants to do such a thing (which all we agree is a bad
>> idea) you need no new features in the shell, eg:
>> while() firefox
>>
>
> that doesn't permit a clean exit, this does :
>
> fn ff {firefox
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Bernd R. Fix wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just want to announce that a new 9P-related framework has been
> published (pre-alpha status, PoC). You find the current project
> documentation on the project homepage "http://aspector.com/~brf/J9P";;
> the published packages are ava
> So while the "forcible sharing" of the GPL is kind of fascist, I don't see any
> other way to have the guarantee that improvements to your code by others are
> made
> available to you.
"Stealing" code is common practice, don't try to prevent it.
And there are no guarantees as you can see in pir
> Trying to enforce private use of licensed code is impossible. It's like trying
> to prevent someone from making C4 in their home and keeping it in their
> basement. The approach every license I've seen takes is a "don't ask, don't
> tell" policy, which is as effectual as a license can get.
Thank
thing I've learned is that we 9fans never code, they just
talk. And for that plan9 is an excellent, interesting system :D
9greetings,
hiro
What is the advantage of rails anyway?
I had a quick glance, but still don't really understand it's function.
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:
> Just a thought.
>
> Is Rails even necessary? Other server-side alternatives do exist, and they
> can be written. IIRC, the autho
>> It lacks usual
>> buttons for minimizing (hiding), maximizing, controlling windows. You
>> can't even send a window to background and even if Inferno's wm has some
>> of these including title bars, but the meanings and, or behavior of the
>> same is quite different from other popular GUI systems
>FSs have a bit of a downside in how they make everything look like tree
>structures.
In which way is this a constrain?
Seems logical, but I personally never felt a need for this.
To prevent line breaks I normally end up moving the windows to an
other, bigger column...
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Acme likes to place new windows itself. If you prefer to change the
> layo
I used to have an usb cd drive, but nowadays plan9 is the only thing I
have which fits on one cd and thus I stopped using this medium.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
> Is anyone using usb cdroms? (with other systems, I mean).
> Just curious.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 20
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3A9fans.net+%22nemo%27s+book%22
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Lyle Bickley wrote:
> On Sunday 28 June 2009, yy wrote:
>> When I started reading Plan9 documentation some years ago I noticed a
>> lack of examples (a simple 9P file server being the most notoriou
I don't get it, how would you be using your feet in a sufficiently accurate way?
On 7/4/09, sqweek wrote:
> 2009/7/4 Roman Shaposhnik :
>> On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:34 AM, sqweek wrote:
>>>
>>> 2009/7/3 Balwinder S Dheeman :
True, but seems to me, by other peoples' responses and, or difficul
Perhaps we should use troff and just convert it to tex?
Because I also hate to write/read tex.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Rudolf Sykora wrote:
> 2009/7/8 Russ Cox :
>> I assume you have a non-Plan 9 machine to play with.
>> It's worth trying Heirloom troff there to see if the boxes
>> are don
Plan9 is more like a programming platform, some call it a research OS.
How did you get interested in this?
> mount: Protocol not supported
There was a time where you had to modprobe 9p2000 first. Should be worth a try.
> Well, IMHO it would be nice to have it named (or symlinked as) mount.9p
> folks who mount as root could get the helper automatically. This
> would be nice for the standard Linux admin who is mounting crap as
> root anyways and trips over the DNS resolution error because all
> they are used to is
When I need remote access I nowadays use v9fs+ssh.
Multi-user auth in kernel like you propose sounds nice and consistent,
but too complicated. It doesn't fit linux, and thus an additional
deamon would mean one more place of security relevant code prone to
bugs. And even if this is only intended to
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, roger peppe wrote:
> this is at a bit of a tangent from the previous discussion,
> but something i've always wondered:
>
> why does the linux 9p mount syscall bother
> with IP addresses at all? isn't it sufficient
> just to provide a facility for mounting a file des
Some people don't use irc.
It's working here.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Balwinder S
Dheeman wrote:
> On 07/16/2009 10:15 PM, Adriano Verardo wrote:
>> Maintenance ?
>
> Don't you think that a channel #plan9 on irc.freenode.net could have
> been better alternative to ask and, or report such
acme
> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that, in an emulated environment, I'd pick kfs over
> Venti, most of the time, unless your goal is to learn about Venti and Fossil
Why specifically in an emulated environment?
All my floppy drives died and were thus disposed some years ago.
don't forget to take away the connectors from the power and reset
buttons, otherwise good security concepts;)
> This sounds like exactly the kind of thing one wants
> from an audio driver for playback. For recording things
> get slightly more complicated.
What exactly do you mean?
> Even for playback if you want to do passthrough (via
> SPDIF or some such) things get slightly more complicated.
> Of cours
> 9p is a ping-pong protocol. this gives it *consistent* latency.
> this is good for audio.
Some years ago when I set up the audio stuff in my house I had to
solve the task of streaming the output from mpd (a linux audio player)
running on my file server to the sound card in my room. I couldn't
f
> The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has a Guitar Hero set up in the
> lobby, but you need to bring your own headphones. I didn't have
> any on me, so tried playing by sight only. It went really poorly.
Our visual perception is very unreliable, whereas our acoustic timing
can be very accurate.
Stupid gmail, they hide the smiley and think it's 'quoted text'.
Didn't they learn utf-8?
It's acmematic.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:21 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:24 PM, erik quanstrom
> wrote:
>>
>> > (Did you ever notice it puts it back when it's done? Error wind
> If you're recording doing it at 24-bit will pay off in the mixing
> stage.
Thanks. And there can be some other kinds of stages, too.
I think I can consider myself lucky, that my equipment doesn't know
how to do AC-3 or DTS :)
Although my soundcard does have some other interfaces i.e. for a
S/PDIF clock source.
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Roman V. Shaposhnik wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 17:36 +0200, hiro wrote:
&
Thanks, very interesting read.
I think he lied, he was perfectly aware of how the piracy issue would
turn out, and he had it all planned :D
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Skip Tavakkolian<9...@9netics.com> wrote:
> an old interview with some relevance
>
> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/3.0
> interestingly, googling for this with
> site:9fans.net/archive/2009/08 PAT
> returns nothing.
I've seen these kind of problems a lot. I have looked around, I
searched for any misconfigured robot file, but not having found any I
am left wondering.
Why doesn't google index our archive? Even
10.90.10.1 with SMTP id 1mr4406904agj.62.1251152334285; Mon, 24
Aug 2009 15:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To:
References:
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:18:54 +0200
Message-ID:
Subject: Re: [inferno-list] ftpfs question
From: hiro <23h...@googlemail.com>
To: inferno-l...@vitanuova.com
Con
I wasn't doing anything special as far as I know. I was using the
normal web interface.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:54 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> > Technical details of permanent failure:
>> > Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
>>
>> > other server returned was: 554 5
0 PM, Michaelian
> Ennis wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:55 PM, hiro<23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Sorry for posting here, but I can't reach you inferno guys.
>>> I don't know whether it could be gmail's faults, tell me if I can help
perhaps we should try to boot plan 9 from a linux kernel? Sounds great to me...
this probably makes me a troll...
Why don't you use a protocol more suitable for high latencies?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
> did anyone already investigate how an streaming (w/o expicit read
> requests) could be done via 9P ?
>
> An option could be adding a new opcode telling the ser
> And none of this applies to or concerns Plan 9, which may be a cause for
> regret--or not.
There is a plan 9 OST?
> Nor do I. Having the no-argument case be filter behavior
> (stdin/stdout) is the most elegant, consistent, and predictable
> of the options I've seen.
Yeah, I always found the lone - very ugly!
If you do a fix you could also add --outputfile in order to improve
the readability :D
> What would be amazing would be attaching it via USB and importing its /net
> (or some other way of turning it into a 3G modem for plan9)
Is there more about it than compiling inferno and simply exporting that device?
Is the usb port speaking the standard usb storage language?
> There is a vast range of applications that cannot
> be managed in real time using existing single-core technology.
I'm sorry to interrupt your discussion, but what is real time?
> Since the purpose of ape is to emulate the environment configure is
> expected to run in, and such mismatch has been found, it migh be
> easier to fix ape than to convince maintaners of autoconf to fix on
> their side...
Why are you so sure they wouldn't fix it? Have you or has anybody you
know
> The latter uses less time and effort and doesn't Heisenberging your kernel
> nearly so much.
I can also recommend Newtoning from a high cliff.
have you also seen this vid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKnDgT73v8s
There already is a gphoto2 fs for fuse if I remember correctly. Though
I haven't heard of any camera with 9p yet.
But it's late and perhaps I misunderstand you.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
> did anyone already do some research on running 9P directly vi
I heard that you can free linux with a GNU.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
>> if i understand it right, your scanner is NOT connected directly to a
>> plan9 native box...
>>
>> ++pac
>>
>
> this is from your web
Well, heroin is a lot of fun.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Andreas Zell wrote:
>> On 25 Nov., 13:34, tyap...@gmail.com (Peter A. Cejchan) wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
>>>
>>> > if i understand it r
I'm using a comparable system here. I have to retrieve the scans with
a web interface (but as you say, better than nothing).
Standards...
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
>> > The scanner ist connect via 1G ethernet.
>> > On the Touchscreen is an Option "Scan to network".
There was some stuff available even before 2004
I think I've used once one of these:
http://intr.overt.org/gphotofs/
http://www.hep.phy.cam.ac.uk/~lester/gphoto2-fuse-fs/
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> There
It's also very easy to run my toaster diskless. Does this say anything
about it's elegance or simplicity? I don't remember what my toaster
has to do with 9p, but nevermind.
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis
wrote:
>
> On 26 Nov 2009, at 8:53 pm, ron minnich wrote:
>
>> On Thu,
>> iff e unfolds to the same set as ë. If e only unfolds to [e], then
>> [e-f] would unfold to [ef].
>
> i don't think that works. consider [e-g]. normally
> this would match 'f', but under your algorithm it wouldn't.
I don't get it, why not? Especially, what algorithm are we speaking about?
I use plan9 only to impress my lecturers and class mates with
extremely clever questions. The girls also like it a lot.
In retrospect I notice that my increased motivation for coding in java
led to better grades in the exams (And it's just easier to understand
what java is trying to do if you know
Good evening,
it's probably not your eyes' fault. Mine have been working fine and I
read it the same way.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Nick LaForge wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:32 AM, wrote:
>> OK.
>>
>> The good news---since I have continued to work a little on this while I
>> have
I own the old optical logitech mouse. It has fallen down a lot, also
it was swinged against walls because of driver issues and one very
rainy night I forgot it outside, connected to my x60s in standby. I'm
still using both without any problems, although I often had to reboot
the thinkpad because of
They are running apache on a toaster? My goodness.
I once used a microwave designed that way. Couldn't find the meal on
the list and had to manually set time and power with 3 digital buttons
:(
It looked nice though. It was painted whine red with black/dark-brown
shades just like my eyes.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Taj Khattra wrote:
>> They
So how far did you get? I'm currently reading about that package
system and think we could send a 9vx package to the maintainer when
ready...
I'm also not sure yet about the best way of binding packages directly
into the filesystem instead of ftp getting them
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:30 PM, ron m
Who is prince william?! Also I can't recieve channel 7 or 9 anyway.
Tell me more about that beer?
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Bruce Ellis wrote:
> Prince William visited the sunshine club today. I told you the beer was good.
>
> Catch it on oz news, channel 7, 9, or 70, 90, for HD. It's goo
so you need to have a more "secure" dns because you don't trust your ssl?
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 2:18 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> > doesn't work with the recent renegotiation bug.
>>
>> disable renegotiation.
>>
>> > but i don't
>> > think one can dismiss dns as a non-issue.
>>
>> dns is a non-
extinct languages, mahjong tiles,...
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:07 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm
> wrote:
>> Well having worked with the Unicode Consortium, I know there's a little
>> more to it than that... :)
>
>
> I'm curious because I don
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:23 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> It's really neat -- give it a try. One thing that is not apparent is
> that the packages are set up as iso's, and they are pulled down as
> such, i.e. it's way faster to pull them down than running replica
> against far-away sources.
>
> ron
>
>
>I feel compelled to add that hardware
>uncorrectable bitflips are still reported as erasures, whereas venti
>collisions are reported as success and only caught if somebody's doing
>checksumming at larger granularity.
Uncorrectable bitflips can also be unreported.
If you are really paranoid and d
Yes, I'd like to have one :)
Sorry, but the list wouldn't like to know that you would like to have one.
Also I've never heard of any mediacloud.
On 2/17/10, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * J Thigpen (cdarwin) wrote:
>> > hmm, interesting, never heared about werc.
>>
>> http://werc.cat-v.org/
>> Docume
Good subject.
Sorry, too.
We don't like web sites :P
Isn't storage more or less free these days?
I use plan9 on a hard drive with less bits than my RAM, but of course
I don't run any video streaming services on there.
Sorry, my last post should refer to this:
On 2/24/10, David Leimbach wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Steve Simon wrote:
>>
>>> > Also, for a while the Tokyo Inferno/Plan 9 User Group (tip9ug.jp)
>>> > ran a service whe
that mus be a miracle
On 2/25/10, Purple_Q wrote:
> Sorry Erik, that particular message was intended for John.
> I had mentioned that changing sata controller settings in my bios from
> ahci to ide allowed plan9 to see my hard drive but killed FreeBSD. He
> asked at what point in the boot sequenc
I don't get your reasoning. Do you want to say we would be better off
if they had not released it?!
On 3/21/10, EBo wrote:
>
>> no, it's just badly designed. Working with a bad design gives me a
>> splitting headache. I make my living doing linux but that doesn't mean
>> I have to worship at the
I still don't see the problem, i.e. what you are trying to do.
27.03.2010 19:13 schrieb am "erik quanstrom" :
> > how does history(1) work in the face of a complicated namespace?
> > we get buy now because the ...
in order for a namespace to be non-empty, it will need binds or mounts
somewhere.
Wow, I really don't get that grammar. Could you perhaps sketch up some
UML-diagram to make yourself clear? Or is it just my bad English?
And again my question: do you guys actually try to fix an existing
problem or are you making one up for scientific reasons?
On 3/28/10, tlaro...@polynum.com wro
Following your logic we must be one of the luckiest mailing list around.
We use ls -t. It's better than git for your task.
On 3/29/10, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2010, at 20:36, Federico G. Benavento wrote:
>> I think it all comes down to simplicity, you install the app, you
>> run th
On 3/29/10, Eris Discordia wrote:
>> In fact, we have both printed on paper hanging from the wall of the
>> corridor near our office. Let's hope they learn.
>
> Learn to...
>
> 1. ... not comment their code?
>
> 2. ... not include usage instructions?
>
> 3. ... not heed that their code might need
On 3/25/10, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> It's this kind of intellectual ugliness that makes the
> teacher in me hang my head in shame. How could
> we be managing to produce a whole generation of
> programmers who actually buy into that stuff? And
> it's not as if it's a fad that's getting bet
Perhaps we should just start letting these threads die without comment?
But to decide this I guess we need to discuss it for a few weeks at least and
with all community members and perhaps a little poll like on these neat
bulletin boards in the web...
-Original Message-
From: Patrick K
No, complexity was always there. Science and also computer science try to
address this problem with the help of various tools and if you don't know which
one of them to use it is your own fault.
If you don't want to or cannot you are free to go and live in a forest, because
we won't just go away
wrong list
All right ;)
Ron, when has plan9 stopped being state of the art?
On 4/12/10, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> Following on several peoples advice and a suggested code snippet from Erik
>> I've added the following before the check for profile:
>>
>> if(! test -d $home){
>> echo no home directory $home
>> exit homeless
>> }
>> if(! ls -ld $home >[2=] | grep -s
I have not the slightest idea about the complexity involved; And I
think I misunderstand how much of plan9 is actually running in a
sandbox. But what if we wanted to have a working security system for
multiple users in 9vx. Would it be - or is it - possible?
On 4/12/10, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> C
And the users are running in single sandboxes?
On 4/12/10, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> 2010/4/12 hiro <23h...@googlemail.com>:
>> > I have not the slightest idea about the complexity involved; And I
>> > think I misunderstand how much of plan9 is actually running in
and what is src/9vx/a/devcap.c ?
On 4/12/10, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> 2010/4/12 hiro <23h...@googlemail.com>:
>> > I have not the slightest idea about the complexity involved; And I
>> > think I misunderstand how much of plan9 is actually running in a
>> >
Could someone please update the rotten links?
On 12/27/09, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Current Mercurial repository is http://code.swtch.com/vx32/.
>
> --
> David du Colombier
>
>
On 5/20/14, ron minnich wrote:
> Ah well, back to 'm' for this thread, and I now accept that this
> community is unwilling to solve this simple problem, as so many others
> have. Bummer.
>
> ron
>
>
This is wrong.
I've already solved the problem in my local tree by accident.
Basically I've inte
> I recommend the nokia 6700 classic, as it's one of the best s40 phones
> that still supports real gps (including offline maps and routing). The
> only caveat to s40 is the nokia xpress browser, which does pre-rendering
> on nokia (now microsoft) servers, even for https traffic.
I don't like s40
To get ahead in the game of bullying always single one person out,
don't try to even do two at the same time or they might team up.
> It is interesting that unpopular and irrelevant
> very often comes in combination with loud.
No.
Been running 9front on kvm lately, and it has even better uptime than
my linux vservers.
What's the advantage for you guys to use XEN as apposed to kvm/qemu?
I agree with miller about rpi USB and thus ethernet being kind limited
in usefulness.
The kirkwood though is a good basis for non-terminals. Even USB disks
aren't *that* slow in my experience (>10M/s).
> perhaps high-efficiency wall warts could make up much of the difference.
> picked at random (first link) ...
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-AC-10U-Micro-USB-Efficiency-Charger/dp/B00DP0TQLG
>
Given that the rpi has some weird power issues and without
specification of the amperage of the charger
> 1. Gather the good packages from the user's directories and other
> sources on the net into a central system, like the core Plan9.
> There is some work implied to check licenses and get permissions.
Try 9front :)
Isn't the ethernet in all cases provided by USB-ethernet adapter?
Perhaps this board is more stable than the rpi. I don't really trust
that, but would like to try it out.
On 8/1/14, Nicolas Bercher wrote:
> On 01/08/2014 04:16, Shane Morris wrote:
>> There are cards available for it that give it
I guess you're not aware the rpi has a hdmi port?
On 8/9/14, Aleksandar Kuktin wrote:
>>On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 14:27:02 +0900
>>kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote:
>>
>> I forgot it to attach.
>>
>> Kenji
>
> I like this.
>
> Question: does the box drive the screen? If so, what did you use to
> connect
you know where to get it, etc...
I can't access that website either:
Connecting to 9p.io|2a01:4f8:201:6064::2:1|:80... failed: Permission denied.
On 9/24/14, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, the Plan 9 website has been down for a few days.
> However, /n/sources is still available.
>
> In the meantime, a mirror
Perhaps try the newer version of the pi, they said they fixed some USB
power issues there.
Where do you live? i can give you a 15' tft or old CRT TV for free if
you're in Germany. Found both on the street.
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