Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-10-01 Thread Jules Merit
"Whose?" white horse 112 1:19pm ring a bell? On Oct 1, 2016 1:19 PM, "Marshall Conover" wrote: > > I was browsing of my old plan 9 mail and this conversation from 2000 > made me think of your thread here: https://goo.gl/PO85oD > > That conversation was interesting! It seemed Matt was a pretty p

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-10-01 Thread Marshall Conover
> I was browsing of my old plan 9 mail and this conversation from 2000 made me think of your thread here: https://goo.gl/PO85oD That conversation was interesting! It seemed Matt was a pretty prescient guy. The "supports the latest standards...whose?" bit gave me a chuckle. There wasn't too much

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-10-01 Thread James A. Robinson
Oh, and for anyone who hates web pages but were on the mailing list back then, it is the "[9fans] Gecko based web browser" thread from 2000-07-18. :-P On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 8:03 AM James A. Robinson wrote: > I was browsing of my old plan 9 mail and this conversation from 2000 made > me think o

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-10-01 Thread James A. Robinson
I was browsing of my old plan 9 mail and this conversation from 2000 made me think of your thread here: https://goo.gl/PO85oD

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-22 Thread Chris McGee
Wow, That sounds cool. Thanks, Chris > On Sep 22, 2016, at 6:49 PM, michaelian ennis > wrote: > > Not exactly what you meant but Coraid did implement a something like this > that had 9p on it. Sort of. It was an ARM based PCIe card spoke 9p over > something like IL without the IP (bwc cal

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-22 Thread michaelian ennis
Not exactly what you meant but Coraid did implement a something like this that had 9p on it. Sort of. It was an ARM based PCIe card spoke 9p over something like IL without the IP (bwc called it EL) using network ports on the card. Sometimes they appear on ebay as "coraid mass storage NIC" or som

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-20 Thread Chris McGee
> Would this be fast enough for what we experienced back then with early > websites, however? What with the stats on how people close or click away from > a tab within N seconds if it hasn't fully loaded yet, I'd think that having > to compile at all could've been prohibitive to people taking t

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-20 Thread hiro
It's all based on their new language go. On 9/20/16, Marshall Conover wrote: >> Ken and rob are currently working at google trying to > make sure it stays so - the idea being that if the stupid people that > control the real OS can't be made to learn at least they'll make > themselves an abstrac

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-20 Thread Chris McGee
I was thinking more along the lines of hardware implementation of 9P minus any OS. For example, a disk serves up a filesystem via 9P or an Ethernet device serving a /net with 9P. Chris > On Sep 20, 2016, at 2:16 AM, David Pick wrote: > >> On 19/09/16 21:55, Chris McGee wrote: >> >> >> >> M

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-20 Thread hiro
> Well, since everyone is trying to make the web the OS - see the chrome > boxes, for example - why not cut out the middleman and just have the OS > doing things? It seems like it's going to happen no matter what. Well, it's happened, so now we have two shitty OS: chrome on top of mac os x. Natura

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-20 Thread hiro
> Also, external storage (hdd, ssd) with a built in filesystem exposed as 9P. > UTF-8 file names, of course. already exists, see coraid.

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-19 Thread David Pick
On 19/09/16 21:55, Chris McGee wrote: > > > Maybe 9P could be implemented in a SoC. It already has: the Raspberry Pi is built round a SoC... ...all that's needed is to boot from SoC ROM instead of the SD card. -- David Pick Network Security Manager, IT Services Queen Mary University of London

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-19 Thread Marshall Conover
> Mounting a bin directory from some remote servers is a potential vector for malicious code and requires all services to provide binaries for all platforms (arm, x86, riscv,...). Instead, serving the source code and mkfile allows for audit ability (what did I just run?) and support for their own p

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-19 Thread Chris McGee
If plan 9 had taken off I wonder if there would be peripherals with built-in 9P support. For example, a network adapter that you can mount into /net/etherxyz over USB, PCI using a 9P connection. No driver needed, except to communicate with the bus. Also, external storage (hdd, ssd) with a built

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-19 Thread Chris McGee
> > > You just mount search engine, route planning tool, or even shopping site > > and echo commands into the ctl file. > > I hadn't thought of this - was more thinking on the user union mounting, say, > google.com/bin into their bin directory and running a google operation. The > concept of

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-19 Thread michaelian ennis
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Jules Merit < jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote: > Troff + net, > This spring (in the northern hemisphere) I had toyed with the notion of using troff as an intermediate format for publishing public record data sets. This was however because I wanted to cal

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-19 Thread Marshall Conover
Thanks, Chris! That was a lot more detailed than I had thought into it. > You just mount search engine, route planning tool, or even shopping site and echo commands into the ctl file. I hadn't thought of this - was more thinking on the user union mounting, say, google.com/bin into their bin direc

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-17 Thread Jules Merit
Troff + net, I added ideas from vrml's for AR glasses I use for HUD documents as I look off monitor still bashing the keyboard. Web proxy for format translation. On Sep 17, 2016 10:06 AM, "hiro" <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's hard to have a technical argument about this, because technical > con

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-17 Thread hiro
It's hard to have a technical argument about this, because technical consideration was never a big driver of web "technologies". > Web programming would have also have started off with far greater ability There is nothing wrong with the web having a limited scope of features. > Web games, video-s

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-09-17 Thread Chris McGee
Hi, I have been pondering the same kind of thing myself lately. In an alternate bizarro universe, what would the web look like that is modelled more around plan 9 concepts. Here's my fantastic take on this. First, there is a focus on simplicity of implementation and interface over flashiness o